Nightwing/Starfire [Archive]

Terry Verticchio

January 21st 2005, 03:54 PM

Well, I just glanced through the latest issue of Titans (didn't have enough money on me to buy it and the store doesn't take debit cards) but from what's happened in the past few issues has made Kory realise that she does have a future with Dick and has left the group to find out if its true.

As far as I'm concerned I think they should be together. They've been a item for so long I can't ever think of a time when Dick wasn't in love with Kory.

They should get married and not have some lame plot line, like Raven going nuts AGAIN, ruining it. But this is comics and no marriage ever lasts, except for Sue and Reed.

Magnus2k

January 22nd 2005, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by estee
Well, I just glanced through the latest issue of Titans (didn't have enough money on me to buy it and the store doesn't take debit cards) but from what's happened in the past few issues has made Kory realise that she does have a future with Dick and has left the group to find out if its true.

As far as I'm concerned I think they should be together. They've been a item for so long I can't ever think of a time when Dick wasn't in love with Kory.

They should get married and not have some lame plot line, like Raven going nuts AGAIN, ruining it. But this is comics and no marriage ever lasts, except for Sue and Reed.

Ummm. How about the years he was in love with Barbara?

Bad_Monkey

January 22nd 2005, 09:00 AM

Or all the comics that came out prior to 1980, when Starfire didn't even exist?

Kevin Reeves

January 24th 2005, 07:26 PM

I'm pro- Nightwing/Dick & Starfire/Kory only because I think it's cool when metas get involved with Gothamites (not just romantically, but just in general), breaking the barriers between the 2 worlds (meta- & non-meta).

HOWEVER, I think Oracle's a more kick-*** character than either of them, when everything's said & done, so whoever's best for Oracle, Oracle should have. 8-) She deserves to get some, in my opinion.

And if my suspicions are right, Babs will be achieving meta-human status (for everyone to see) anyday now, thanks to Braniac's influence in Birds Of Prey. I don't know if Dick's the right guy for Babs, though, I mean, if I was a DCU cupid, I would throw her & Blue Beetle together. BABS broke it off with DICK. I still don't fully understand why. Fear of rejection?

If I recall correctly, Bruce never much approved of Kory, either. (maybe I'm wrong, but I seem to remember something along those lines), which would make a Kory/Dick union all the more tantalizing to me.

Terry Verticchio

January 24th 2005, 07:33 PM

Bruce doesn't approve of anyone interfering with the 'job' of being a superhero. He needs a girlfriend of his own.

I'm sure Dick and Babs had a long relationship before Kory, but I wasn't around then.

Blake Petit

January 24th 2005, 07:43 PM

Count me as a Dick/Babs supporters as well. While I think it's definitely possible that Kory still has feelings for him, and that may even make for some great stories, if you read Nightwing and Birds of Prey, it's quite evident that Dick and Barbara are still totally in love with one another.

Santa Rosa -- I still see nothing in BoP to indicate that Barbara is going to get any superpowers, and I sincerely hope that it never DOES happen. It would really cheapen what's made her such an incredible character as Oracle.

Kevin Reeves

January 24th 2005, 07:46 PM

I've GOT IT -- a double wedding on Feb.14th, 2005:

Bruce & Selina tie the knot alongside Dick & Barbara. Happiness does come to the bat-folk.

YEAH RIGHT!

Kevin Reeves

January 24th 2005, 07:50 PM

Blake---

Maybe I'm totally mis-educated or something.....help me out here. What exactly is all that circuitry growing on Barbara's skin (seen once during the current arc, & also in the last issue of the last big arc...the one where Braniac wrestled with Oracle in cyberspace)? I don't know much about Braniac, so maybe I really am seeing mountains where there should just be mole-hills....

But I thought Braniac was like a pretty big deal, back in the day, as far as DCU villains went. Maybe you're right, maybe he's not as impacting now & it will just blow over. I don't know.

But I have more faith in the writers to be allowed to evolve characters without ruining them. I love Oracle as she is. That doesn't mean I think she should be doomed to remain un-changing or un-upgraded. She should have cool, self-evolving storylines too. I admire her attitude & tenacity WAY more than the status of her legs or abilities.

Blake Petit

January 24th 2005, 08:07 PM

Brainiac IS a big-league DC villain. He's basically (at this point) a computer intellect that is constantly upgrading and evolving, thus explaining his obvious interest in Oracle. Thing is, she threw him off, she beat him. Now clearly, she was left scarred by that encounter and has taken to wearing the mask that represents the computer "face" she always "wears" online, but we're not entirely sure what that means yet. At any rate, there's nothing to really suggest her gaining superpowers.

And I certainly think the character can evolve, but that doesn't mean erasing some of the things that have made her so strong. Babs as Batgirl, frankly, wasn't really that interesting to a lot of people. She wasn't the first woman in a bat-costume, after all, and she didn't really have a big hook, other than being Jim Gordon's daughter. When she became Oracle, though, she DID become unique. An ex-superhero, too wounded to stay in the game, who still found a way to make a difference. And more than that, to make a much more profound difference than she EVER did as Batgirl. Giving her legs back, putting her out on the streets, would take away a bit of what's made her so unique.

Kevin Reeves

January 24th 2005, 08:36 PM

Thanks for the info on Braniac. I figured as much, but wasn't 100% sure what his status was as of late. Anyway, the mask Barbara's been wearing is one thing, but there is still that circuitry growing on her skin. I can't imagine that being human, which then means to me it must be borderline meta (I guess "meta" is pretty undefined in the DCU anyway, though, so who knows what that word really means in the long-run).

I admire your respect for Barbara, Blake, & I was looking into the description of your book Other People's Heroes ; it sounds awesome, & I totally respect your commitment to characters. Barbara is no exception. She is definitely an amazing character. If she got her leg usage back, & was suddenly always in the field, it would **** me off a bit. But I know that's not all that it could mean. A walking Barbara would (I should hope!) give writers something much bigger & darker to chew on, besides just whisking her back into a Batgirl uniform. Maybe Barbara would FINALLY have to confront the fact that she is actually stronger & more useful in the good fight as Oracle than she ever was as Batgirl...and she'd have to deal with the internal conflicts that would suggest.

If written properly, it would not mean the end of Barbara's greatness. Of course, I shudder to think, if Oracle got her leg usage back & just went right back to being Batgirl.....UGH. I agree. That would be too cut-and-dry; it would suck the life out of Barbara's character. But I expect (maybe too naively?) greater things from the dark world of the Bat-crew. I would expect her challenges & self-confrontations to only grow, rather than diminish, if confronted with legs that worked again.

But I doubt DCU would go there permanently anyway, so it's just hypothesizing.

Chapel

February 26th 2005, 08:01 PM

Has anyone read the Huntress/Nightwinf mini? In it Nightwing has a nightmare that Batman walks in on him and huntress.

Personally I have never liked the idea of Oracle and Nightwing. I think ever single woman he has been with has treated him better than her.....with the exception of Tralanchula but at least she tried.

Kory doesn't have any personally really, like her about as much as I liked Jean Grey.

I would like the see Nightwing end up with Donna Troy or Huntress.

Adam Chapman

February 26th 2005, 08:18 PM

Um... Donna Troy is dead... :bow: :cap: :hrm:

Blake Petit

February 27th 2005, 09:27 AM

When did Babs EVER not treat Dick properly?

I like Nightwing/Oracle. Always have. And reading their respective titles, it's clear that they're still in love with each other.

Kevin Reeves

February 27th 2005, 11:28 AM

I don't recall Barbara ever really being abusive or "bad" to Dick, either. Maybe because she broke it off from him (in the pages of BIRDS OF PREY, if I'm not mistaken, around the time of the "Sensei & Student" storyline, no? like right before or right after that story arc?) when he wanted to be with her?

I don't remember the circumstances being cruel or anything, though...

Blake Petit

February 27th 2005, 11:29 AM

Yeah, she broke it off, but that was because she couldn't deal with him putting himself on the line 24 hours a day -- he was a superhero AND a cop at the time, in a town where the REST of the cops were on the take and after him. It was too much for her.

Kevin Reeves

February 27th 2005, 12:05 PM

right, right. Okay. Thanks for the refresher, Blake.

Yeah, Barbara's been good to him. No doubt.

Blake Petit

February 27th 2005, 07:41 PM

I always thought so. ;)

NightJim

February 28th 2005, 03:56 PM

I would like the see Nightwing end up with Donna Troy or Huntress.

Worse thing possible. Huntress is just wrong for him. Him and Donna are like Brother and Sister. Wolfman played with the idea of those two but realised that it just wouldn't be interesting.

I'm more Babs/Dick supporter, but that's the only relationship I've seen him in.

Chapel

April 14th 2005, 02:26 PM

I don't like Babs because she is manipulative, unsupportive, and doesn't like Dick for who he is.

1st-off I think she has an almost uncounscious need to manipulate those around her-take the recent BoP events. I don't think it is her fault I think she is just to much like Batman.

2nd-Her loyalt(at before war games) is to Batman first. Dick constantly, constantly places his trust in her and would never betray or try to play her. Babs is one phone call away from sending Dick where ever.

3rd-I don't think Dick gets emotional support from anyone except Flash and Alfred. Whenever Dick crashes or has a breakdown or just needs a shoulder its always one of those 2. Batman is mentally unable to provide mental support, but Babs?

4th-Dick is(or at least was) enternally optimistic. He always looks on the bright side and sees the best in everyone. He fills whatever room he is end with tremendous energy. With anyone else this would be a good a thing but with Babs its just a permanet reminder of what she lost. I mean everything that makes(or made) Dick Dick is just a huge "hahaha you an't got no leeegs" to Babs....I am not saying that is her fault, just that its not exactly the best place to begin building a relationship off of.

Chapel

April 14th 2005, 02:30 PM

One of the reasons I like Huntress/nightwing so much is that Huntress is the type of person who can do well if she just has people who believe in her and Dick(especially without Bats, Tim, and Babs buzzing in his ear) is just that type of person.

Of course all this discussion could be moot since after the stuff with Blockbuster Dick ins't that same person any more.

Say what you will about Tarantula but I truly believe she gave it her all to try to help Nightwing to the best of her ability, which is a lot more than I can say about the rest of Nightwing's "family".

Frozone

April 14th 2005, 03:30 PM

Tarantula is in need of therapy. She has a good hart like Teaching self defense to street punks, and trying to seereason behind a hoodloms actions. But she has got anger problems and she is an amature.

We all know what happens to female amatures (Spoiler).

Dick and Kory or Huntress or a repentnent Tarantula is better than Barabra.

Why, Barabra dosent seem as empathic as she use to be (As she seems in the Animated series)

Anywho What about the Current Batgirl? She'd pretty hot, but so emtionaly well, nuts. I think she's probably more loco that Tarantula

Blake Petit

April 14th 2005, 03:58 PM

She's also like 16. Unless you WANT to see Dick go to jail...

Terry Verticchio

April 14th 2005, 04:30 PM

I thought 16 was the age of consent?

...not that I would condone that sort of behaviour. :hrm:

Frozone

April 14th 2005, 04:32 PM

What!? I thought she was 18 or atleast 17!

How old is Dick again 24? 25?

WhereIsTony

April 14th 2005, 04:56 PM

I lean to Kory.... do I smell a sticky Poll?

Chapel

April 14th 2005, 10:40 PM

I thought 16 was the age of consent?

...not that I would condone that sort of behaviour. :hrm:

lol better check up on that :D

Pretty sure at Dick's age she would have to be 18.

Tarantula is in need of therapy
I don't understand why everyone thinks Tarantula is some sort of psycho. What exactly has she done that makes her so crazy.

Fell in love with Dick? Happens to a lot of females.
Shot Blockbuster in the head? Green Arrow would have done the exact same thing.
Tried to make Dick happy by giving him everything she had to give and trying to keep his mind off his problems.

Tarantula has a strong sense of Justice and self-preservation but I don't see her any where near as crazy as say Huntress.

bugsypal86

April 15th 2005, 12:33 AM

As I know it, it is different in each state, with the youngest being 16 in I believe Louisiana or an another southern state, but it is generally held in most states that the age of consent is 18.

AmazingMattMan

April 15th 2005, 04:11 AM

She's also like 16. Unless you WANT to see Dick go to jail...

shhh... he wont go to jail if you are quiet about it!

hah wow, i almost dont wanna post this!

Terry Verticchio

April 15th 2005, 05:51 AM

Well how old was Dick when he started swinging over rooftops with Bats...twelve, thirteen? Hmm...better stop this before we digress into that age-old argument about the super-hero's penchant for young boys to be their side-kicks. :D

Blake Petit

April 15th 2005, 07:55 AM

As I know it, it is different in each state, with the youngest being 16 in I believe Louisiana or an another southern state, but it is generally held in most states that the age of consent is 18.

: points to location:
Nnnnnnno.

Frozone

April 15th 2005, 08:01 AM

lol better check up on that :D

I don't understand why everyone thinks Tarantula is some sort of psycho. What exactly has she done that makes her so crazy.

Fell in love with Dick? Happens to a lot of females.
Shot Blockbuster in the head? Green Arrow would have done the exact same thing.
Tried to make Dick happy by giving him everything she had to give and trying to keep his mind off his problems.

Tarantula has a strong sense of Justice and self-preservation but I don't see her any where near as crazy as say Huntress.

Well...Uhhh.... I heard she always voted Republican.

Okay when you put it like that she seems perfectly fine. But after killing someone she should atleast have had one nightmere!

Cardiac

April 15th 2005, 10:27 AM

She practically raped Dick and shortly afterwards tried to marry him. Headcase!

Chapel

April 15th 2005, 11:34 AM

shhh... he wont go to jail if you are quiet about it!

You know the real problem isn't even the girl......its her parents pressing charges.

She practically raped Dick and shortly afterwards tried to marry him. Headcase!
Thought that was just cause Tarantula is female

*runs and hides*

necrosNWJP

June 11th 2005, 05:25 PM

I can't even decide. I like the idea of Nightwing and Starfire, they've got alot of history together. But then again so do Babs and Dick. In the end I don't think it's all that good when heroes have relationships, what with the bad guys finding out and taking advantage and all. But I'll go with Starfire on this one, just cause I prefered Nightwing when he was on the Titans.

Magnus2k

June 11th 2005, 09:26 PM

Well, if you are currently reading Nightwing, you know where his heart lies and who he's going for. :banana:

PukeDrunk

June 12th 2005, 12:39 AM

I lean to Kory.... do I smell a sticky Poll?

:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

Funniest thing I've read all day. Context is such a wonderful playground.

I definitely lean towards Kory though. Dick has a lot of history with Barbara and Kory, but the way I see it, he only really has a future with Starfire. I can't see a Dick/Babs marriage working half as well as a Dick/Kory marriage. Plus, their kids would be a lot more interesting IMO.

Plus, the idea of relationships and marriage within the Bat-family just seems a little too incestuous for my liking, personally, and storywise. I think for Dick's sake, he should do a bit more breaking away from Batman's shadow.

WhereIsTony

June 19th 2005, 04:43 PM

I thought 16 was the age of consent?

...not that I would condone that sort of behaviour. :hrm:

Depends on the State

In MD it is 16

Still seems gross to me though

bugsypal86

June 20th 2005, 02:54 AM

Actually did some research, sorry Blake, and there are multiple states that go down to 16 as base age though and fun fact and yet fairly disturbing is that for three states it is 14 or lower, Iowa the legal age is 14 unless married and then it is 12, in Missouri it is 14 as long as the other party is 20 or younger, 21 and up it is 17, and in South Carolina it is 14 unless married and the website I found didn't state a lower age if married.

Terry Verticchio

June 20th 2005, 08:18 AM

12 in Iowa? What is this the middle-ages?

Sure a girl is old enough to get knocked-up, but she can't drive, not that she'd be able to reach the peddles at that age. :hrm:

GreenLantern

June 26th 2005, 12:57 AM

Chapel

June 26th 2005, 10:39 AM

Look, It's a comic book, if Dick (heh) wants to hit on girls who are 16/18 he can do that. It may be Bludhaven but it's still America and there's still freedom of expression (Bruce might even give hime some Bat-abstinence if you know what I mean....)

Bruce wouldn't give Nightwing the time of day if Bats thought it would get Nightwing laid....Bruce is the biggest blocker in alllllllllll of comics.

Blake Petit

June 26th 2005, 11:20 AM

Okay, guys, careful here -- let's not get lewd.

GreenLantern

June 26th 2005, 12:42 PM

ok....... |does the "Batman Eye Squint"|

TNC

July 15th 2005, 09:50 PM

Bruce wouldn't give Nightwing the time of day if Bats thought it would get Nightwing laid....Bruce is the biggest blocker in alllllllllll of comics.

TRUEST THING I'VE READ ALL DAY!!!!!

LeatherWings

August 12th 2005, 11:43 AM

I've always been a Dick/Babs fan. I think Dick/Kory is good as well, but it just wasn't as interesting. As far as Huntress goes, I can't see the two of them as more than what they pretty much are: sex buddies. Tarantula: Well after what she did to Dick, I don't think he's interested in her.

And when was Dick and Cassie(Batgirl) a thing? Personally I would never want to see that. Cassie is younger than Tim, if she's gonna be with one of the Robin's its not the one who's gonna be accused of child molseting.(Oh and I believe Cassie is 16-18, its one of those three, I think she's the same age as Tim, I can't remember how old he is though)

Kory had her chance I say, and Dick's already said, he was just lonely at the time. And as far as I'm concerned the reason Dick and Babs broke up was solely to blame on bad writing. I know Babs wants the best for Dick, and is afraid that he needs more etc. but Dick's already said he doen't give a damn. I mean handicapped people can have sex too.