DK2 - what problems do people have with it?

[Cardiac]

Title speaks for itself really. Personally I only disliked the Joker subplot.

[Terry Verticchio]

I dissliked it because it was too pretentious. While the first DK was political it was more subtle, the story remained a Batman story...this series bashed you over the head with Frank Miller's politics until it became more a manifesto than a comic book.

There were too many characters, too many villains, too much of everything. I always believe that less is more.

Yes...the Joker plot seemed redundant, almost insulting considering Dick became Joker and was resentful of Cassie. Lame.

...there. My rant against DK2.

When does the "I hate Origin" thread begin? :)

[Ryan Broussard]

it seemed way to cramed to me too much stuff in one story, also i felt the art looked cluttered, it was not on the same level as DKR...which is beautiful and awesome

[Blake Petit]

I have to agree with the points raised here. Miller was preaching, not telling a satire. The art was messy and there were too many characters and too little development, and the Dick Grayson story arc made absolutely no sense whatsoever.

I'd have more to say, I'm sure, but I haven't read that series since it first came out and I really have no desire to do so again.

[ForeverZeroV1]

I read the first part and i was like...so....this is what the hype was all about... i was very unimpressed but i did love dk1

[Cardiac]

I can see where people are coming from, particularly on the characterisation front. There were a large number of heroes and villains but I think the choppy scenes and fast pace actually added to the sense of jeopardy and hopelessness of Luthor's regime.

Different strokes I suppose.

Thankyou all for your comments though.

[Ryan Broussard]

I can see where people are coming from, particularly on the characterisation front. There were a large number of heroes and villains but I think the choppy scenes and fast pace actually added to the sense of jeopardy and hopelessness of Luthor's regime.

Different strokes I suppose.

Thankyou all for your comments though.


hey dude thanks for asking, and mad props for saying you like it bro

[Downfall]

My problem with it, was Ollie was a communist. Oliver, while he does lean a lil' to the left sometimes, would never go that crazy.
The "Sin City" Martian Manhunter was a little much too.

Over all, Miller's characterization was just all over the place.

[Terry Verticchio]

What's wrong with being a communist?

[Blake Petit]

It went too far away from Ollie's established characterization and seemed like a platform for Miller as opposed to actually contributing to the story.

Now if you want to debate communism itself, take it to the Rec Room.

[Downfall]

What's wrong with being a communist?

Lol nothing, I'm just saying, it's not him.

[Cardiac]

The "Sin City" Martian Manhunter was a little much too.

Initially I felt the same but then I began to appreciate the irony of it. J'onn has struggled to understand humanity better for years, and it's interesting that he fell to such a human fault in the end.

[Fanatix]

I didn't mind the characters at all. For the most part, they all seemed like realistic visions of themselves in an apocalyptic future. Especially barry being used to power las vegas, in a country that used super heroes like superman, it makes sense that its how flash would be abused in that continuity.

My two big problems are
1. the art. I can't stand it. If you compare dk1's relatively clean art and interesting ways of page set ups(like the tv sets being used over a page), dk2 is just a mess of black and psychadelic colored backgrounds.
2. The dick joker thing. Braniac and luthor controlling the govt was a decent enough plot line, not the most original, but it wasn't bad. But the *******ization of both the joker and dick grayson was crap and a better villan needed to be introduced. Definatly the most defining element was out of all those heroes rouge gallaries, they had to use dick as the bad guy. Joker in dk1 was just soo much better written.

[Downfall]

Actually, the Dick/Joker thing might... MIGHT have worked, had they not rushed it. They spent over 5 pages of Supergirl and Superman against Brainiac, but only 2 pages, (in tiny, hard-to-read panels) of the Dick and Bruce fight. Rushed.

And they gave next to no explanation for it, either. (Well, they DID explain it, just not very well. "Your bosses made you a freak." That tells us nothing.) Why he was evil, why he could reattach his head after it was cut off, nothing.

[Benoit Fabre]

Weel I must be one of the only ones to really like this book. Loved both the writing and the art, I'm a Miller fan.

[Cardiac]

Weel I must be one of the only ones to really like this book. Loved both the writing and the art, I'm a Miller fan.

I'm just glad I'm not the only one. While I can understand all the reasons for not liking it, and have the utmost respect for those that don't, I loved it and read it read it regularly.

[NightJim]

I could rant for hours on the Grayson/Joker sub plot but that ones been covered. As has too many characters.

Another of my major problems was Bruce sitting there when the new Hawkman killed Luthor than making like a cheerleader. I find it a bit of a stretch to say Bats would kill at all. To revel in the fact just made it totally unbelievable.

[toastmeister]

The book wasn't terrible. People have already highlighted my faults with it; the art sucked. I draw better than that. Some of the miscellanious citizens were terrible. The Dick Grayson plot sucked too. Also hated this "cool" language everybody gained. What was the deal? It didn't convey a universe of its own, it just felt like poor writing.
Still, the bit with Hal Jordan almost completely redeemed it for me. STUNNING moment.
Too many pointless characters, however, and not enough explanation. What was worse is that it was no longer a BATMAN story. It was a JLA story in the future, but only an average one.
Also, since when would Diana let Clark take her so easily? And shouldn't their daughter have a more "beautiful" presence? She looked odd, not magnificent.
Still, the portrayl of The Flash was also great.