Is it wrong that Nightwing has a Sex life?

[Frozone]

I have heard horrible things about Wing. I read that he was with Huntress, and I liiked it up on the net. And I got a pade full of Nightwing/Arsenel/Green arrow are man ho's.

And some disparaging things about poor Tarantula and Huntress.

Are DCU fans prudes?

Is Barabra Gordon some kind of scared cow? He nearly married Starfire obviously, he and Barabra are not mandatory. I mean How many people are honestly with the first person they have sex with?

So he is fond of the ladies. Is that so wrong?

And what is with the Tarantula and Huntress hate?

Huntress likes the Guys? Like you would not persue her if given the chance.

And Trantual Killed Blockbuster and slept with Dick. So, Unless you telepathicly erase ole BB's memory their was no other solution. Roland had to be capped. Frankly its was kind of unrealistic for him to be brought down so easily.(Given his speed and strength).

And if I was Dick, it wouldn't bother me all that much. I mean He burnt down a his Big Top, and Blew up his apartment, and was just getting started.

Me, I'd probably have killed him myself. Its not like both T and NW didn't try every other course of action. So she sleptwith him afterward, Nobody feels good after witnissing death, even if it is of a hated opponent.

I just don't understand.

[Downfall]

No. Everybody should have a sex life, hero or not. Me, I'm a fan of Dick and Babs, but it doesn't look like they're gonna be all lovey dovey right now...

Eh. It's a matter of preference. Being a hero without a girl to come home to would stink.

[Blake Petit]

Actually, Tarantula all but raped Dick. That's a different situation entirely.

As for the rest of 'em... I just like the Dick/Babs relationship. That's what I'm pulling for.

[Downfall]

Actually, Tarantula all but raped Dick. That's a different situation entirely.

As for the rest of 'em... I just like the Dick/Babs relationship. That's what I'm pulling for.

I didn't think it was possible for a woman to rape a man.

Most men would like it too much. :joker:

[Terry Verticchio]

What no Kory fans around here at all?

I followed Dick/Kory throughout their time on the Titans. I like them together.

Dick/Babs I'm not too familiar with. But I just can't see it happening. They are just too similiar in demeanour. Besides being part of the "Bat-family" its almost like incest...so to speak...what would Bruce say? Now there is a guy who needs a night out on the town that doesn't involve swinging from the rooftops.

[Blake Petit]

I didn't think it was possible for a woman to rape a man.

Yes, it is possible.
What happened was that Tarantula took advantage of Dick at a point where he'd been beaten to a point of physical and emotional exhaustion. He was pretty much unable to resist. That's why I said "all but" raped. It was close.

And Bruce seemed to give tacit approval to Dick and Babs. They're not alike in demeanor at ALL -- Barbara is much more serious, more studious than the generally lighthearted Dick Grayson.

[Downfall]

Yes, it is possible.
What happened was that Tarantula took advantage of Dick at a point where he'd been beaten to a point of physical and emotional exhaustion. He was pretty much unable to resist. That's why I said "all but" raped. It was close.
Ah. Live an' learn.

I only started reading Nightwing during the "Year One" arc, so I haven't seen that one yet. Hm.

I like Dick and Kory, but I just think Dick and Babs are a better fit.

[Chapel]

I didn't think it was possible for a woman to rape a man.

Most men would like it too much. :joker:

Just goes to show how much Tarantula wanted him. An yeah a female has to put in more effort to rape a guy but its doable.

I have heard horrible things about Wing. I read that he was with Huntress, and I liiked it up on the net. And I got a pade full of Nightwing/Arsenel/Green arrow are man ho's.

Arsenel and GA are man ho's Nightwing is just easy. The difference? I realy think Dick believed he had a possible future with ever woman he has slept with, he is just idealistic(read: easy) that way. The one exception would be Tarantula and that was rape. GA and A, they just wanted some @$$. I personally think a lot of A's encounters happen only because he knows nothing will come out of it.


hat is with the Tarantula and Huntress hate?

I personally like him with Huntress. Not saying she is the best, just that she is better than his other choices. Most people hate Tarantula because she almost destroyed Nightwing as a hero.

Me, I'd probably have killed him myself. Its not like both T and NW didn't try every other course of action. So she sleptwith him afterward, Nobody feels good after witnissing death, even if it is of a hated opponent.

That the whole point of DC countdown. What makes a hero a hero and at what point do characters stop being heros and just become thugs with superpowers? You say you would have killed Blockbuster for all the things he did to you? Well Blockbuster does stuff like that to people all the time, why do you have to be the victim before you "make the right choice". That is the attitude the Punisher takes and The Reverse Flash's whole mission in life is to make hero's realize that "if there is nothing and no lengths they won't go to when protecting their own famillies" then why not extend that kind of determination to every they claim to protect. I mean isn't that what being a hero is all about? Protecting a stranger as though they were one of your own?

[Blake Petit]

I kind of think you guys are missing the point of the Blockbuster thing. Let's look at who Batman is, first of all. When you boil away all of the training, the toys, the gadgets, the gear, what are you left with? Bruce Wayne, a little boy who saw his parents murdered and, as a result, doesn't want to see anybody else die. ANYBODY. He'd risk his life to save even his worst enemy -- and HAS -- on more than one occasion.

So he takes in Dick Grayson and raises him the same way. This is drilled straight into his brain. He has the same values. Killing is unacceptable. Period.

Now let's look at what happened with Blockbuster. It wasn't that Tarantula killed him. It was that Nightwing could have stopped her, and actively chose not to. That's what broke him, that decision to go against everything he believed in. And once that happened, he was shattered, completely destroyed, and she took advantage of that.

[Frozone]

I kind of think you guys are missing the point of the Blockbuster thing. Let's look at who Batman is, first of all. When you boil away all of the training, the toys, the gadgets, the gear, what are you left with? Bruce Wayne, a little boy who saw his parents murdered and, as a result, doesn't want to see anybody else die. ANYBODY. He'd risk his life to save even his worst enemy -- and HAS -- on more than one occasion.

So he takes in Dick Grayson and raises him the same way. This is drilled straight into his brain. He has the same values. Killing is unacceptable. Period.

Now let's look at what happened with Blockbuster. It wasn't that Tarantula killed him. It was that Nightwing could have stopped her, and actively chose not to. That's what broke him, that decision to go against everything he believed in. And once that happened, he was shattered, completely destroyed, and she took advantage of that.

See Thats the problem, Nightwing Beat the Joker to death, But Batman resucitated him. The Joker has a bigger bodycount than both Sabertooth and Wolverine combined. I think he has the Biggest Boddycount in Comicbook history (Outside of planet killer class villans)

And Batman Rvived him so he can kill again! WTF.

When you enter combat, you should do so to protect and not kill. But Every time one enters a combatative situation death (By acident or on purpose) is always a possible outcome. And Death (Save either Dick or Cat being latent telepaths) was the only option.

He has killed, corrupted and turned Bludhaven into the biggest cesspool since Gotham. And Unless Nerons magic brain pan actualy survived the bullet, he will never kill again.

[Cardiac]

See Thats the problem, Nightwing Beat the Joker to death, But Batman resucitated him. The Joker has a bigger bodycount than both Sabertooth and Wolverine combined. I think he has the Biggest Boddycount in Comicbook history (Outside of planet killer class villans)

And Batman Rvived him so he can kill again! WTF.

I think you need to read more Batman stuff. Bruce has an extremely strict moral code. If he had allowed the Joker to rot it would have cheapened his character enormously.

[Blake Petit]

Whether Batman and Nightwing SHOULD let the Joker die or kill him is totally irrelevant to this conversation. We're talking about what they WOULD do, what their characterization is, and their characterization says that they don't let anyone die. That's why Dick was so shattered.

[Symphony of Six]

Thought I'd put in my two cents...I think Nightwing should be with Starfire...who can resist a powerful hot orange chick wearing next to nothing. :yes:

And as far as the whole Nightwing killing people thing and what his morals are...the new issue was excellent and has me wondering where this new storyline is going.

[Chapel]

I love how Kingdom Come is the ultimate nightmare senerio for DC heros, and how it always seems like it is one step away from becoming reality.

[bones]

i'm waiting for dick grayson to have an affair with a time/space displaced helena wayne...

or power girl.

[Downfall]

Dude, during the... act itself, Power Girl would probably break Dick in half. Not cool.

[Chapel]

Dude, during the... act itself, Power Girl would probably break Dick in half. Not cool.

Please, Grayson could handle it. Lois handles Superman, Better Banner takes on the Hulk, Arsenal manages with Grace, and Batman didn't seem too put off by the idea of WW.

[Downfall]

Lol. I get the sense that Supes takes it easy on Lois. For all the rest... well, have you ever seen the episode of Futurama where they went to the planet of Amazons? All the men's bodies had crushed pelvises. Ouch.

Peter Griffin: Superman? what are you doing here?
Superman: She said I was faster than a speeding bullet, so I ripped her in half like a phonebook.

[TNC]

Lol. I get the sense that Supes takes it easy on Lois. For all the rest... well, have you ever seen the episode of Futurama where they went to the planet of Amazons? All the men's bodies had crushed pelvises. Ouch.

Peter Griffin: Superman? what are you doing here?
Superman: She said I was faster than a speeding bullet, so I ripped her in half like a phonebook.

I think Superman is still a virgin because I REALLY doubt that Lois could take him.



:sigh: WOW! That would SUCK to have ALL that power and not be able to "take advantage" of your popularity.... :no:

[Adam Chapman]

But KC Superman... he's had some good times with Wonder Woman. Enough to have a kid, which means she can hold his offspring. :p (It's weird, but in the background I'm listening to Meg Ryan and Billy Crystal argue about good sex in "When Harry Met Sally" :p)

[TNC]

But KC Superman... he's had some good times with Wonder Woman. Enough to have a kid, which means she can hold his offspring. :p (It's weird, but in the background I'm listening to Meg Ryan and Billy Crystal argue about good sex in "When Harry Met Sally" :p)

Technically, KC hasn't happened.

[Adam Chapman]

Well, from the standpoint of the main continuity... and there at least used to be a point where DC was aiming towards KC... although not anymore, it seems... :p

[bones]

funny i always thought the male meber's of the bat family swung the other way.

[Cardiac]

funny i always thought the male meber's of the bat family swung the other way.

Profound. :shame:

I've had this conversatin so many times. Nightwing couldn't get more action if he had a grand in his boxers and Robin has had his fair share too.

[Magnus2k]

As has Batman. I was gonna respond to the post about Batman needing a night out. Are you kidding? The guy's had plenty of it. Vicky, the Silver something chick, some actress, the chick that got killed, (why I cant think of their names right now is beyond me) and dont leave out the fact that Selina is merely a call away, and he has her whupped and smitten as a, well, as a kitten.

[roman]

Nightwing is PIMP. Nuff Said. If Nightwing is pimp then does that make Johnny Storm the Grand Master Pimp?

[bones]

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[Chapel]

As has Batman. I was gonna respond to the post about Batman needing a night out. Are you kidding? The guy's had plenty of it. Vicky, the Silver something chick, some actress, the chick that got killed, (why I cant think of their names right now is beyond me) and dont leave out the fact that Selina is merely a call away, and he has her whupped and smitten as a, well, as a kitten.

Batman gets plenty for himself, but as always the rules for Batman and the rules for the Batmcrew are different. Batman is such a ****blocker.

[Downfall]

this is the extent of dick graysons sex life...
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Okay, dude, that was *kinda* funny the first time, but c'mon. It's been well documented that Batman likes the ladies.
Talia, Vickie Vale, Catwoman, Poison Ivy, the list could go on and on...

None of them, by the way, are little boys in Speedo's so that kinda throws your hypothesis off there.

Nightwing, is also following in Batman's footsteps. Starfire, Barbara Gordon, Huntress, I think somebody said Power Girl... etc.

Again, all of them are full grown women, NOT little boys. So, I guess what I'm saying is, "The Batman is gay" thing?

Yeah, it's not funny anymore.

[Chapel]

Bones is a troll. He will keep posting as long as people keep responding. He really doesn't give a damn about weather Nightwing is gay or not so can people please stop responding to him so he will go away?

[bones]

Bones is a troll. He will keep posting as long as people keep responding. He really doesn't give a damn about weather Nightwing is gay or not so can people please stop responding to him so he will go away?
i was thinking i was more of a hobbit...

[necrosNWJP]

hell no, Nightwing is a pimp. off the top of my head he's hooked up with Starfire, Darkstar, the first Batgirl, Tarantula, and Huntress. I'm just wondering when he's gonna hook up with Wonder Woman or the rest of the DC ladies.

[ForeverZeroV1]

nightwing and bats are super pimps they got them tons they are far from gay

[Cappadonna]

I didn't think it was possible for a woman to rape a man.

Most men would like it too much. :joker:

Believe it or not, there plenty of women (usually really BIG women) who rape men. It extremely rare, but it does happen.

[necrosNWJP]

Believe it or not, there plenty of women (usually really BIG women) who rape men. It extremely rare, but it does happen.
Don't forget the old ones, the really ugly ones, and the crack addicts.

[Jimmy-San]

I didn't think the Tarantula instance was actually a rape though. She just took advantage of him at a point where he was completely apathetic. Like a guy banging a drunk chick.

[Cardiac]

I didn't think the Tarantula instance was actually a rape though. She just took advantage of him at a point where he was completely apathetic. Like a guy banging a drunk chick.

Like a rape then. :ironman:

[Jimmy-San]

That's not a rape, though. A rape is forcing sex on someone who's actively resisting. The additional definitions of "rape" are just lawyer attempts to classify other sexual crimes as "rapes" to make them sound worse than they are in the courtroom. Pleading temporary insanity doesn't make it OK to say you were "raped", IMO. I also don't consider like an 18-year old who has sex with a 15-year old consentually a "rapist" despite the term. I prefer to use actual literal definitions instead of court-room definitions. Labelling the scene a "rape" makes it sound much more humiliating and degrading than it actually is, as well as really going against the actual context of the scene, IMO.

[Cardiac]

Sex without consent is rape. That's the definition of the word.

[Chapel]

That's not a rape, though. A rape is forcing sex on someone who's actively resisting. The additional definitions of "rape" are just lawyer attempts to classify other sexual crimes as "rapes" to make them sound worse than they are in the courtroom. Pleading temporary insanity doesn't make it OK to say you were "raped", IMO. I also don't consider like an 18-year old who has sex with a 15-year old consentually a "rapist" despite the term. I prefer to use actual literal definitions instead of court-room definitions. Labelling the scene a "rape" makes it sound much more humiliating and degrading than it actually is, as well as really going against the actual context of the scene, IMO.

Wow, I wondered where that ruling game from. Aparently a Judge in CA feals the same way you do. A man druged a woman into stupification and then had sex with her. The Judge ruled it wasn't rape because she never said no.

FYI sex with a person under 16 is considered "rape" because at that point in human development the mind can't handle that sort of thing. Its the difference between a 20 year old seeing someone get shot and an 8 year old seeing someone get shot. They 8 year is going to need a lot more therapy than the 20. Sex is a very intense experience and a child's mind simply isn't ready to handle it.

Nightwing was mentally unable to make decisions at the time Tarantula had sex with him. He would have had a better chance of resisting if Tarantula had tied him up and put a knife to his throat.

[Jimmy-San]

I strongly disagree. He stopped talking when she said to --- I see that as being consent more or less. I think he took it because it was the only comfort he had in his state. It was more or less temporary insanity, but it was not a rape. A female never saying no depends on whether she has any of her wits at the time, as well as whether she physicaally resists, and I think how strong the come-on was.


I don't think this scene was a rape, though.



As for the "16 year old" thing, that's crap, IMO. It may've been true 30 years ago (I don't know as I wasn't there), but I think it's clearly not true today. There's not much difference in maturity between someone 15-21 in that respect, I think. If anything, I'd argue more extreme sexual behavior, at least in males, probably occurs before age 20. Same with obsession with gore, violence, and so on.


A pre-teen, I could see it, but I just don't buy the thing that someone 18 or older is so much more mature than a few years before ... (I know I'm not :p)




Now, maybe having sex with someone underage should be deemed A sex-crime, but calling it rape is utter crap, IMO, and I'd say the same about this comic book scene as well ...

[LeatherWings]

If someone says no, then I'd consider it rape, and I believe Nightwing said no. But I agree that if someone 18 has sex with someone 16 its not rape if they both agreed to it. I mean sometimes(more like most the time), when its that age pairng(someone 16 and early twenties) the younger one wanted it, and the older jsut agreed.

Anyways, no there is nothing wrong with Nightwing having sex life, the only thing I think that was wrong was the break-up between Babs and Dick(it was so lame and badly wrote, what guy isn't over protective of their girl, and just cuz he's a superhero, you were to once, hello, you still would be if you had the option)

[Blake Petit]

If someone says no, then I'd consider it rape, and I believe Nightwing said no. But I agree that if someone 18 has sex with someone 16 its not rape if they both agreed to it. I mean sometimes(more like most the time), when its that age pairng(someone 16 and early twenties) the younger one wanted it, and the older jsut agreed.

Whether you agree with it or not, the law says that it IS rape... and I've got to disagree with the second half of that statement, the "most of the time" part. I don't buy that.

[WhereIsTony]

Almost every state has a 4 year difference built into thier Stat rape clause.


IE 21 and 17

[Downfall]

Whether you agree with it or not, the law says that it IS rape... and I've got to disagree with the second half of that statement, the "most of the time" part. I don't buy that.
No, that's still rape. Believe me. 18 having sex with a minor is still rape. It doesn't matter if the 15-16 year old wanted it more than the adult, the adult will get arrested.

[Arrrggghhh]

Is Barbara Gordon some kind of scared cow? He nearly married Starfire obviously, he and Barbara are not mandatory. I mean How many people are honestly with the first person they have sex with?

So he is fond of the ladies. Is that so wrong?
If I remember well - it's Babs who turned Dick away. This caused him to go out with others (especially Huntress). I think it's justified that Dick get around. There have even been interests that he didn't bed (the Asian tenant/landlord in his old pre-bombed apartment – his happily married cop boss, who seemed to become obsessed with his hero identity and now the mafia boss’s daughter) . . . so, he's not a total man-whore.

I never liked the Starfire relationship – it made no sense.
Physically - yes! Mentally -- no.
Honestly, why would Dick Grayson want to be with a wild, Amazonian-like warrior woman - half-naked orange body -- legs that go on forever? Umm . . . wait - I think I just answered my own question . . .
But sex aside - this relationship was silly.

The real trouble I have with Nightwing is that he was being written as two personas in separate titles. In Nightwing, he's was more light-hearted, easy-going. In Outsiders (and even in prior Titans series), he was at times more serious, controlling and as strict as Batman. Total opposite personalities.

The Nightwing title's persona rings truer to me; since Dick's a man who out right does not want the mantle of the Bat to be his future. The Nightwing in the Outsiders does not reflect this. I see the Batman's prodigy in Nighthawk in Outsiders (or was . . . before Dick upped and left the group.)

Arrrggghhh

[S.A. Parvaze]

Arrrggghhh
Is that signing your name off at the bottom or an expression of arrrggghhh-ness? :p

[Downfall]

If I remember well - it's Babs who turned Dick away. This caused him to go out with others (especially Huntress). I think it's justified that Dick get around. There have even been interests that he didn't bed (the Asian tenant/landlord in his old pre-bombed apartment – his happily married cop boss, who seemed to become obsessed with his hero identity and now the mafia boss’s daughter) . . . so, he's not a total man-whore.

I never liked the Starfire relationship – it made no sense.
Physically - yes! Mentally -- no.
Honestly, why would Dick Grayson want to be with a wild, Amazonian-like warrior woman - half-naked orange body -- legs that go on forever? Umm . . . wait - I think I just answered my own question . . .
But sex aside - this relationship was silly.

The real trouble I have with Nightwing is that he was being written as two personas in separate titles. In Nightwing, he's was more light-hearted, easy-going. In Outsiders (and even in prior Titans series), he was at times more serious, controlling and as strict as Batman. Total opposite personalities.

The Nightwing title's persona rings truer to me; since Dick's a man who out right does not want the mantle of the Bat to be his future. The Nightwing in the Outsiders does not reflect this. I see the Batman's prodigy in Nighthawk in Outsiders (or was . . . before Dick upped and left the group.)

Arrrggghhh

I think of it as both. Yeah, Dick is more easy going, i.e. not as much of an a-hole as Bruce, but like it or not, he has picked up a lot from Bruce, including some of his mannerisms.

Like they said in Outsiders: Maybe where he was raised wasn't big on warmth and affection.

[Arrrggghhh]

Is that signing your name off at the bottom or an expression of arrrggghhh-ness? :pYes - yes it is . . .
I've been using "Arrrggghhh" as my handle for nearly 15 years now. It's also my domain name and was my company name when I used to freelance.

It really just sums up everything about everything I do . . .
Sometimes -- ya just gotta scream "Arrrggghhh!"

Argh