Who is the best and worst Batman villian [Archive]

Fanatix

June 22nd 2005, 09:04 PM

coolest? Right now i'm liking black mask. He's smart, sadistic, sick, and now untouchable. It won't last though so the best ever is joker.

Stupidest? Maxie Zeus, by far the lamest, he hasn't even been used in years. Oh god, that just means some idiot writers bound to drag him up now.

GreenLantern

June 22nd 2005, 09:11 PM

Maxie Zeus was a bad idea gone wrong. The dude tries to be nuts to the point where he's cool. Its not working. Only the Joker can pull that off.

LEGENDKILLER

June 22nd 2005, 11:31 PM

Best: Its a tossup for me between Zzasz and Ra's

Worst: hands down the Mad Hatter, I have never liked the guy....Maybe its his top Hat.

Adam Chapman

June 22nd 2005, 11:35 PM

Best: Tossup between Joker and Ra's. Ra's was always a well written, intelligent villain, whereas Joker matched Batman so well because of how psychotic he was, and the places where he took Batman, with regards to wanting to kill, and cross the line.

Worst: Never really liked the Ventriloquist guy.

DocDoom

June 23rd 2005, 10:36 AM

Best: It's between joker and Two face, depends who's writing them

Worst: It's kinda hard to take the Ventriloquist serious, no matter how hard writers try....

WhereIsTony

June 23rd 2005, 10:39 AM

Best Zazs

Worst: Ma

GreenLantern

June 23rd 2005, 12:10 PM

Ma?

who's that? Unless you mean Martial Arts - WooTah!

Adam Chapman

June 23rd 2005, 12:25 PM

I don't know who he's referring to either, GL. :(

GreenLantern

June 23rd 2005, 12:33 PM

Unless he's talking about someone's mother - then she would be the worst villian in any title!

but seriously it's probably a typo

necrosNWJP

June 23rd 2005, 02:40 PM

Best: is there any doubt...the Joker
Worst: Ratcatcher

Chapel

June 28th 2005, 08:58 PM

best: Two-Face is king

worst: Killa Croc

Guy is such a loser...he brings nothing to the table and as never been it interesting story arc that couldn't have been told without him.

GreenLantern

June 28th 2005, 09:01 PM

Other than being crazy and shooting guns what else is Two-Face capable of?
(not trying to bash him just curious)

Adam Chapman

June 28th 2005, 09:26 PM

Two-Face is compelling because he's not just crazy, but torn between two sides. He's part Harvey Dent, a once respected DA, who had passion for his job and for justice, and on the other side, he's everything he once fought against. A twisted multiple personality. His obsession with flipping the coin and doing what it tells him to do gives him an interesting hook, and his interplay with Batman is made more fascinating because Dent was a man that Bruce felt they shared a similar bond, like with Gordon, a man who also believed in justice and was against corruption no matter what. He sees a fallen ally, which makes it hard to fight against him, with his own personal feelings towards Dent.

GreenLantern

June 28th 2005, 10:03 PM

ok...... I also hear he had some conflict's with yours truly.....

Robin

Chapel

June 28th 2005, 10:37 PM

Two-Face was almost the first person to kill a Robin. Dick still carries the scares from what Dent did to him.

He is also one of only like 3 Bat-villians to ever cross over and take on people outside of Gotham. Joker, Ras Al Ghoul, Two-Face, and as of late the Riddler.

He is as smart as Batman, not technologically wise but in terms of Deductive/raw intellect.

He is the star of some of the most compelling Bat-stories ever told...or at elast one of the star players.

Last but not least I like him because he is crazy. People say the Joker is crazy but what crazy stuff has he done? I mean really. The joker isn't crazy he is evil. If someone shot the Joker today it wouldn't be a tragedy. With Two-Face you can see the madness, the obsessive conpulsiveness, the irrational jumps of logic, and most importantly, the mental ill man who desprately needs help. Bruce Wayne, Jim Gordan, and Havery Dent made a pact to clean up Gotham. Wayne scarficed his life, Gordan his family, and Dent his sanity...he is a true tragic villian.

GreenLantern

June 29th 2005, 11:36 AM

People say the Joker is crazy but what crazy stuff has he done? I mean really.

READ

Batman no. 1 - Joker Returns

Batman - The Killing Joke

Batman - A death in the family

And just look at him....... he's a maniac genius who goes around tormenting/killing people for fun, and to prove a point. He thinks everything he does is the ultimate prank/ joke (ex - killing Jason Todd, shooting Barbara in the spine....)

S.A. Parvaze

June 29th 2005, 03:44 PM

Or read Batman: Arkham Asylum. It has one of the best visual representations of Joker in print (done by Dave McKean). And unlike in many other stories, it shows Joker as utterly insane and not just evil (which I feel is a valid complaint).

But, I've also got to pick Two-Face as Batman's best villain. Once upon a time I would have chosen Joker but Two-Face's twisted soul is just too compelling for me to ignore.

Worst Batman villain: Hush. He's a superhero's villain, not a detective or criminologist's villain, and that's how I like my Batman served.

GreenLantern

June 29th 2005, 05:12 PM

Or read Batman: Arkham Asylum.

Oh yeah, that too...... knew I was missing something.

But now that you mention it a eco-terrorist doesnt seem like a detective's villian either.....but what do I know?

Hannah

June 29th 2005, 05:23 PM

from the films:
best- Joker
worst- Scarecrow

DocDoom

June 29th 2005, 05:32 PM

From the Movies

Worst-Bane
Best-Joker, 2nd place Catwoman, 3rd place Riddler

Kovac

July 11th 2005, 03:00 AM

The best ever, two-face is a great complex character.

But Joker is like a character foil to batman, two characters base their life's decisions on just 'one rotten day'. No special powers , just mad wits and cunning intellect. One lived in the shadow of madness. but the other is the madness into himself. Based on that , i pick the joker.

Worst villians: from the movie, Bane

GreenLantern

July 11th 2005, 10:32 AM

yea bane was pretty bad, but my friend LOVES Batman & Robin the movie. I told him he was crazy, did you see george clooney's batsuit? no way he's ever going to be stealthy in all that silver.

Ryan Broussard

July 11th 2005, 10:42 AM

best is ofcourse joker

worst...hmmm i never really like man bat or mad hatter

Downfall

July 11th 2005, 02:37 PM

Best... Two Face, for all the reasons stated above. But, question, what did he do to Dick that almost killed him? I never heard about that...

Worst... when done wrong, Riddler. He's a low rent drama queen who has to tell people what his plan's going to be in the form of an annoying riddle.
But that said, my favorite Riddler stories are "Hush" and Green Arrow: City Walls... cause they show there's more to him than just crappy riddles and jokes.

GreenLantern

July 11th 2005, 06:14 PM

He's a low rent drama queen who has to tell people what his plan's going to be in the form of an annoying riddle.

And the funny part is that he is mentally unable not to leave clues! :D

Linus

July 11th 2005, 10:41 PM

Best: Joker

Worst: Film freak

Bigby Wolf

July 13th 2005, 01:29 PM

Best: Joker, Scarecrow, Ra's Al Ghul, and Two Face. I really like Two Face now after reading Long Halloween, great read.

Worst: Mad Hatter

Liam Creswick

July 14th 2005, 02:36 AM

Comics best: Joker beacause though techniquley 2face is as or more crazy, but Jokers plans wether insane, evil, both, or otherwise, are so much more fun to read about. There is no limit to how over the top his plans can be, as long as alot of people die/almost die. And his dioluge is all jokes, and thats one of the few times you can laugh along with a homicidal maniac. Plus Harly is a cool side kick and one of my favorite female charactors ever.

Comics worst: Mad Hatter... i mean wtf.

Moves Best: The Riddler/Scarecrow. Both actors did wonderful jobs

Movies Worst: Joker / Mr Freeze. Jack N did it ok but his make up was terrible. and Arnold... agian... wtf.

Wolfwood

May 9th 2008, 01:39 PM

Best: Joker of course

Worst: Scarface. "Look at me, I'm a stereo-type gangster puppet!"

Jiggaman Tiga

May 9th 2008, 07:04 PM

Just to get away from the Joker,

Best: R'as Al Ghoul followed by Two-Face (The Long Halloween sealed his fate in my eyes)

Worst: Penguin followed by Hush.

Newborn Glory

May 9th 2008, 07:07 PM

Best 2: Joker, Ra's

Worst 2: Riddler and Mad-hatter

Bucfan

May 10th 2008, 01:09 AM

KGBeast, Deadshot-best

Catman, Madhatter, Tweetle-Dee/Dum-worst

Morbius

May 11th 2008, 10:53 PM

In my opinion, I think that the best Batman villain is the Joker, although I like so much the stories with Man-Bat.

The worst villain, I think I gotta say is Catwoman maybe??? I don't like her so much... sorry I have been reading Batman since 1 year ago so so...

Jabs

June 18th 2008, 05:14 AM

I think the best are Bane and Joker. Joker because he's the Joker and Bane because he "BROKE THE BAT"

Worst probably has to be penguin imo, he's just a fat idiot.

Scarecrow

July 9th 2008, 06:20 AM

Best would definitely be Joker. But I have a soft spot for Hush, Scarecrow and Two-Face. All four hit the right mark in intimidating the Dark Knight on a personal level.

Worst is the Ventriloquist and Scarface - no other character has ever made me want to never read the letter g ever again

virtuadept

July 9th 2008, 07:06 AM

Best: Joker. Others mentioned Ra's and he's my second favorite but none of the other Batman villains are quite as gruesomely psychotic in a charismatic way as the old Joker.

Worst: Toss up between Mad Hatter and Scarface. Both of them are lame ideas made lamer by the fact that Batman should in all rights be able to take these two A-clowns down in .05 seconds or less. Some old wonky geezer with mind control cards? Please. And oooh, a puppet with a dummy controlling him! Scary.

WhereIsTony

July 9th 2008, 07:35 AM

Best: Joker, he is everything batman is not.

Worst: joel schumacher

Jiggaman Tiga

July 9th 2008, 01:18 PM

Best: Joker, he is everything batman is not.

Worst: joel schumacher

:LOL:

So true...on both points. I liked Batman Forever, but I can't say I didn't see the signs that lead to B&R.

jonsnow

July 9th 2008, 01:26 PM

The Joker is the acme of super villain, be it Batman's gallery or any other.

As for the worst of the rogues gallery, toss up between penguin and Scar-face. Riddler has some weak showings, but potential to be a good foil. Scarecrow is an excellent villain, as is Two-Face and Ra's. Mad Hatter might not be well liked, but I think in the Loeb/Sale collection Haunted Knight Bruce discusses why the Hatter is such a great villain. Tweedle Dee and Dum don't really count for me, because they are not big enough to make the cut.

Now Scar-face is just dumb, period. That is inarguable, and hopefully the character has finally been put to rest. Penguin, some like, I always found him useless. What is so great about an avian-loving midget? He isn't nuts like the rest of the gang, and isn't scary, more like disgusting.

RawkusKeyes

August 13th 2008, 09:21 PM

The small time villains shouldn't count. It should only be the main ones.

leave these losers out! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Batman_Family_enemies#Foes_of_lesser_renow n)

theo

August 14th 2008, 07:02 PM

The small time villains shouldn't count. It should only be the main ones.

leave these losers out! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Batman_Family_enemies#Foes_of_lesser_renow n)

Well, Deacon Blackfire made that list and he's not the best, but his moment in the sun was pretty bright. Still, most of that list can cease to exist for all I care.