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Eireann
September 10th 2005, 10:32 AM
Lots of comic characters are considered crazy vile menacing and just plain out evil. But wouldn't most people agree that The Joker is by far the craziest and most maniacal of them all?

I was wondering if people would be kind enough to get a list going of what some of his most vile, depraved, and simply lunatical acts were.

What acts make him the Harlequin of hate, and the Clown prince of Crime?

Adam Chapman
September 10th 2005, 10:52 AM
Depraved? Check out The Killing Joke. Shooting Barbara Gordon, then stripping her and molesting her, taking pictures of it, and then forcing Jim Gordon to stare at them in a funhouse, in an attempt to corrupt and crack Gordon, poisoning one of the most honest and righteous men alive. It failed. Incredible story by Alan Moore.

Terry Verticchio
September 10th 2005, 11:16 AM
I'd have to agree...Killing Joke is perhaps his crowning achievment and what Joker will be long remembered for.

And you know what, it never occurred to me until recently that Joker may have sexually assaulted Barbara after shooting her and I only began to consider it possible when someone mentioned it on another board. It was never stated or implied very obviously in the book.

But then, I'm such an innocent at heart and such a terrible concept is beyond my understanding.

Liam Creswick
September 10th 2005, 11:53 AM
Sweet thread, Joker is my favorite villain ever, easily. So much about his charactor is cool

Dark Night Returns - Poisening boy scouts at a fair with tainted cotton candy. Then snapping his own neck so Batman couldent kill him.

Hush - Killed that guy who was Batmans best friend, or something, cant remeber. Its been a while since I read Hush. But when Batman sees that he pummels the ever loving crap outta of him, ready to kill him, and Joker laughs the whole way through.

Even his first apperance was poisening a water main just for the hell of it, was it not?

Thats all I can think of right now. Ill get my friend in here, and he will have a laundry list beyond comprehension.

roman
September 10th 2005, 12:35 PM
I don't think he killed Bruce's friend.

Lets not forget he killed the 2nd Robin

Fanatix
September 10th 2005, 12:40 PM
Hush was a set up, made to look like he killed thomas elliot. He really didn't.

He shot gordon's fiancee in the head during no mans land.

bugsypal86
September 11th 2005, 11:19 PM
In Dark Knigth Returns he wasn't stealing Bruces kill he was make it look like Bruce had killed him so that he would have everyone turn against him. Also, to elaborate on killing Jason Todd, after beating him within a inch of his life he then locks him in a room with his mom and puts a time bomb in the room. Then hides behind diplomatic immunity get away with it.

S.A. Parvaze
September 11th 2005, 11:49 PM
One of my favorite stunts that Joker pulled is in the beginning of Arkham Asylum, where pretends to skewer an asylum worker's eye with a pencil just to get Batman and Gordon riled up, only for it to turn out to be an April Fool's joke. That and him pinching Batman's ***, that was classic -- and only Joker could get away with that.

Liam Creswick
September 12th 2005, 12:43 AM
Hush was a set up, made to look like he killed thomas elliot. He really didn't.

He shot gordon's fiancee in the head during no mans land.

Thats what I though, but even still, he laughed adn laughed as Batman pummeled him close to death. One of my favorite pictures of all time was that spalsh of his hea upside down smilling and all bloody and bruised.

Fanatix
September 12th 2005, 12:53 AM
That was awesome. I didn't read hush when it was first coming out in batman, I hadn't bought a batman issue since no mans land, but the cover with joker bloodied and bruised was something I had to pick up. Amazing comic too, it practically felt like reading a single issue instead of part of one of the best batman storylines ever.

Cardiac
September 12th 2005, 04:47 PM
No Man's Land was Mr. J's best work. He collected every new born in the city, and holed up in the police station. He made sure everybody was held up following his gag clues, then when Jim's bird turns up and is about the shoot him he chucks a sprog at her. She drops the gun, saves the kid, and gets shot for her trouble. Easily the best Joker moment ever.

DocDoom
September 13th 2005, 11:23 AM
I'd have to agree...Killing Joke is perhaps his crowning achievment and what Joker will be long remembered for.

And you know what, it never occurred to me until recently that Joker may have sexually assaulted Barbara after shooting her and I only began to consider it possible when someone mentioned it on another board. It was never stated or implied very obviously in the book.

But then, I'm such an innocent at heart and such a terrible concept is beyond my understanding.

I had no idea of this, i've read this story more times that i can remember, but never imagined the joker doing this, why do you guys think this happened?
I'm totally oblivious!

Cardiac
September 13th 2005, 11:29 AM
I had no idea of this, i've read this story more times that i can remember, but never imagined the joker doing this, why do you guys think this happened?
I'm totally oblivious!

It's implied. She's nude in every shot, which means the Joker stripped her. Each shot is from a different angle, meaning she was moved multiple times during the time they were taken. I'd go into more detail but this is a family forum and frankly it disturbs me to consider this scenario too long anyway.

Arrrggghhh
September 30th 2005, 11:33 AM
#1's - Gotta be the torturing of the Commish:
Hog tying Jim Gordon naked, surrounded by pygmy people and showing nude images of his daughter Barbara wounded and bleeding from the spine. [ala Killing Joke]

Close second would be:
The pencil sharpener sound whirling as Joker is on the phone, implying he needs the pencils to be sharp as possible to better shove them into the eyes of his hostage. [ala Arkham Asylum]

Favorite Joker scheme:
Taking over the "Joker Fish" Market . . . (oldie but goodie)

-Arrrggghhh!

Liam Creswick
September 30th 2005, 10:48 PM
In "Mad Love" hes freaks out at Harly beacuse she kidnapped Batman, and pretty much had him as good as dead. He stopped it, let Bats go, and apologized for the inconveniance. HE AND ONLY HE will be the one to kill Batman, it will be his ultimate joke. Thats why he owns.

Also, a less then spectacular plan......

My friends dad has a bunch of old comics from the 60s, not in great condition so they are more for nostalgia than collecting. Any way... theres a Batman one and inside is an advertisment for Hostess Fruit Pies. Though its an ad its cleverly disguised as comic. It features a devilish plan by the Joker to give Friut Pies to the bank guards so they are distracted so he can rob the bank. But OH SNAP, they gave them ENERGY so they could catch him. But its cool cause he brought enough to last the time in jail.

And finaly, in a collection of storys another friend has, the Joker sees Batman at the beach (cause you know, Gothams known for its beaches, and they both frequent said beach) So he chalanges him to a surf-off. And when Batman serves surf style, he gets arrested for some reason. What a plan!

LeatherWings
October 2nd 2005, 04:48 PM
I'd have to agree...Killing Joke is perhaps his crowning achievment and what Joker will be long remembered for.

And you know what, it never occurred to me until recently that Joker may have sexually assaulted Barbara after shooting her and I only began to consider it possible when someone mentioned it on another board. It was never stated or implied very obviously in the book.

But then, I'm such an innocent at heart and such a terrible concept is beyond my understanding.

Yeah I never really got it either, I mean cuz in the pics it shows her nude, but it shows alot of her, and you never see Joker in the pics, so I'm guessing that if he did he wasn't in the pics for one. Also though when he's stripping her she say plz don't or somehting I can't remember, which could imply she was about to be raped. But yeah I don't really like to talk about it, so there's proof that supports both sides, especially that if it did happen I don't know why it hasn't been brought up whatssoever. Also I mean the Commishioner's a brave man, but if his daughter had just been raped by a madman he hated, I think he wouldn't just say bring him in by the law, he'd say don't kill him but make him bleed.

Personally I know that many people love KJ but besides the Joker back story its just decent, the rest of it is decent, and I know the Commish is a cop and all, but he' still cool about it and all even after he's been through all this and I mean even Batman would be like beat the **** out of this guy.

Anyways as far as the subject, I don't know if he did I don't know why its never been brought up I mean Jason's back and with his current condition I can see him being like so you were raped by Joker to Babs, since he died after she was shot. So yeah very confusing matter, but until there's solid proof of one or the other I remain mutual.

I also wondered what did Harley think of this, then I remember oh yeah she wasn't around yet.

bones
October 24th 2005, 01:31 AM
I'd have to agree...Killing Joke is perhaps his crowning achievment and what Joker will be long remembered for.

And you know what, it never occurred to me until recently that Joker may have sexually assaulted Barbara after shooting her and I only began to consider it possible when someone mentioned it on another board. It was never stated or implied very obviously in the book.

But then, I'm such an innocent at heart and such a terrible concept is beyond my understanding.
would that have been my thread as sikkbones at CBR?




Hush - Killed that guy who was Batmans best friend, or something, cant remeber. Its been a while since I read Hush. But when Batman sees that he pummels the ever loving crap outta of him, ready to kill him, and Joker laughs the whole way through.



he didn't do it... like he told bats.. he was innocent... although him running going BATTYMAN!!! was so silver age ridulous i just had to laugh...



Yeah I never really got it either, I mean cuz in the pics it shows her nude, but it shows alot of her, and you never see Joker in the pics, so I'm guessing that if he did he wasn't in the pics for one. Also though when he's stripping her she say plz don't or somehting I can't remember, which could imply she was about to be raped. But yeah I don't really like to talk about it, so there's proof that supports both sides, especially that if it did happen I don't know why it hasn't been brought up whatssoever. Also I mean the Commishioner's a brave man, but if his daughter had just been raped by a madman he hated, I think he wouldn't just say bring him in by the law, he'd say don't kill him but make him bleed.

Personally I know that many people love KJ but besides the Joker back story its just decent, the rest of it is decent, and I know the Commish is a cop and all, but he' still cool about it and all even after he's been through all this and I mean even Batman would be like beat the **** out of this guy.

Anyways as far as the subject, I don't know if he did I don't know why its never been brought up I mean Jason's back and with his current condition I can see him being like so you were raped by Joker to Babs, since he died after she was shot. So yeah very confusing matter, but until there's solid proof of one or the other I remain mutual.

I also wondered what did Harley think of this, then I remember oh yeah she wasn't around yet.


i think alan moore left it ambiogous about what happened for a reason...
other than being shot in the spine has babs ever adresses what happened since?

Jason Alan
November 9th 2005, 01:34 PM
I don't think we've seen the full extent of Joker's depravity yet. Look at all the terrible things he has done in his criminal career... shooting Barbara, killing Gordon's wife, etc. Every time he did one thing in an attempt to push Batman over the edge and to this date it hasn't worked.

I wrote a story myself once where Joker finally learns that Bruce and Batman are one and the same so he goes around to the Dark Knight's closest allies taking them out one at a time. Most are merely injured (I won't say how) but there is one death at the Clown Prince's hands and a very fruesome one at that.

An arc the level of which I have envisioned is something I'd love to see. Of course if it ever did happen the Joker's actions would likely lead to him getting killed. There's only so much Batman can take ;)