The Joker debate

[RawkusKeyes]

does anyone here know joker's real name,

and did joker ever interact with ivy or two-face?

[Magneto X]

Given that's DC, I'll guess he happened to be named:

"Joe Jocular"

[bugsypal86]

I don't think they ever revealed his name. I know in the 1989 Batman movie his real name was Jack Napier. But, the best you can do to get clues to who he was before he was the joker is read Gotham Knights #54 which gives that his name is Jack and his wife name is Jeannie. So maybe he is Jack Napier.

[Lord_Magneto]

Given that's DC, I'll guess he happened to be named:

"Joe Jocular"
Heh, that reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Homer goes on a journey to find out what the J. in his name stands for. Eventually it turns out that it stands for Jay.

[RawkusKeyes]

okay now the name thing is fine. But what about interaction with two-face and ivy. Has he?

[CPT Space Bomb]

I never even thought of that, but wasn't his name in the first movie, Jack Napier? God, I love that movie. It still makes my blood move when he points the gun in the kids face and said, "Tell me Kid, you ever dance with the devil in the pale moon light?" Awesome movie. Jack Nicholsen was the perfect Joker!

[Magneto X]

okay now the name thing is fine. But what about interaction with two-face and ivy.

Ivy? That reminds me:

http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2688841

[Justin Byrd]

He's interacted with both several times. Joker's real name is a mystery, hence the "name unknown" sign on his door at Arkham.

[Blake Petit]

The Joker's real name has never fully been revealed in canon, but both the movie and the Dini/Timm cartoon used "Jack Napier." I wouldn't be surprised, if they ever did reveal his full name in the comics, if they went with that.

I don't think he regularly associates with Two-Face or Ivy, but considering how long those characters have been around, I'm sure you can find a few stories with them together.

[jonsnow]

A whole lot of interaction between Joker and Two-Face in both The Long Halloween and Dark Victory. If you have not read these you are missing two of the greatest Batman stories of all time.
Ivy is also in these stories, and does play a role.

[Justin Byrd]

The Joker's real name has never fully been revealed in canon, but both the movie and the Dini/Timm cartoon used "Jack Napier." I wouldn't be surprised, if they ever did reveal his full name in the comics, if they went with that.

I don't think he regularly associates with Two-Face or Ivy, but considering how long those characters have been around, I'm sure you can find a few stories with them together.
Actually in the Timm 'toons they said one of his aliases was Jack Napier, he was better known as an unnamed hitman working for the mafia until he fell in the acid vat during an early confrontation w/ Batman. If we all remember from Mask of the Phantasm, he's the dude that killed Andrea Beaumont's father.

[Justin Byrd]

A whole lot of interaction between Joker and Two-Face in both The Long Halloween and Dark Victory. If you have not read these you are missing two of the greatest Batman stories of all time.
Ivy is also in these stories, and does play a role.
Yep, that's what I was thinking of, Joker and Two-Face were in cahoots for most of Dark Victory, and Ivy was around. They don't team up on a normal basis though, mainly because of egos clashing.

Long Halloween Joker threatened Harv in his home, just in case the DA was Holiday..."this town isn't big enough for TWO homicidal maniacs."

[Liam Creswick]

A whole lot of interaction between Joker and Two-Face in both The Long Halloween and Dark Victory. If you have not read these you are missing two of the greatest Batman stories of all time.
Ivy is also in these stories, and does play a role.

Those where the books that came to mind first when I though of those duos, though im sure there are many occations through the years where they have met/teamed up.

And yes, those are some of the best Batman stories ever. (IMO they are MY favorite Batman books, and one of my favorite novel(s) of all time. They were some of the first books that got me into comics, if you havent read them READ THEM!)

[Blake Petit]

I completely agree, Liam, the Loeb/Sale stories are some of the best Batman stuff ever.

[tomb rocket]

The Joker also messed around with Harvey's head in "A Lonely Place of Dying". He communicated with Harvey through an old radio.

[CPT Space Bomb]

Joker is da man, especially with a crobar.

[Justin Byrd]

The Joker also messed around with Harvey's head in "A Lonely Place of Dying". He communicated with Harvey through an old radio.
Yep, that's absolutely right! I forgot about that one, good on ya newbie. :) Harv thought it was his other personality, Joker tricked him into going back into crime.

[Ammar Al Subahi]

Ivy? That reminds me:

http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2688841


:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

The funny thing is that my classmate and I were just talking about Arnold's lame oneliners from that movie earlier in school today

[Goorudoguntai]

IMHO Arnold could have played the Mister Freeze from comics or TAM, too bad there was Joel Schumacher.

[Blake Petit]

Ugh -- Arnold's Mr. Freeze was some of the worst casting EVER. The man just can't play a mad scientist... they shoulda gone with Patrick Stewart.

[CPT Space Bomb]

AHNOLD was AWESOME! I loved him in that movie. He was so funny. "Chill OUt!!" " Have a Chill Pill!" The one liners.............so hilarious........:joker: :joker: :joker: :joker:

[RawkusKeyes]

:oops: How does this relate to Joker, Two-Face & Ivy?

[CPT Space Bomb]

:oops: How does this relate to Joker, Two-Face & Ivy?

I was merely responding to a video that I believe Magneto X posted about Arnold's mister freeze, and subsequent others responded to as well. If you want my opinion of the Joker, I posted it on the first page.

[Jiggaman Tiga]

Yeah, u asked the questions and u got the answers. You can't just keep on posting about the same stuff over and over ya know lol

and about Batman and Robin...please lets not go there. i just ate lunch

[Mathew Smith]

and about Batman and Robin...please lets not go there. i just ate lunch


NaNa NaNa NaNa NaNA BATNIPPLES.....BATNIPPLES......Bat NIPPLES!!

[Justin Byrd]

NaNa NaNa NaNa NaNA BATNIPPLES.....BATNIPPLES......Bat NIPPLES!!
The butt shots weren't appreciated either....(shiver)...

(SupesAF goes to the corner in the fetal position and shakes uncontrollably)

...Batman isn't a ballet dancer....Batman isn't a ballet dancer...

[CPT Space Bomb]

The butt shots weren't appreciated either....(shiver)...

(SupesAF goes to the corner in the fetal position and shakes uncontrollably)

...Batman isn't a ballet dancer....Batman isn't a ballet dancer...

:joker: :LOL: :banana:

[BacktotheGame]

I thought it was Jack Reipan..

[Justin Byrd]

I thought it was Jack Reipan..
Which as you notice is an anagram of Napier....


No, we don't know his name. Any ideas have come with speculation or from the Joker himself, which is hardly a good source.

[RawkusKeyes]

New question presented in the joker debate.

What would joker be like has a hero?

[demon]

New question presented in the joker debate.

What would joker be like has a hero?

crazy......

[Goorudoguntai]

New question presented in the joker debate.

What would joker be like has a hero?
Someone like Deadpool I think.

[Blake Petit]

New question presented in the joker debate.

What would joker be like has a hero?

It could never happen. To change him enough so that would be acceptable would be to change him too fundamentally for him to be recognizable as the same character.

[Ammar Al Subahi]

The butt shots weren't appreciated either....(shiver)...

(SupesAF goes to the corner in the fetal position and shakes uncontrollably)

...Batman isn't a ballet dancer....Batman isn't a ballet dancer...

LMAO!!! :LOL: :LOL:

[S.A. Parvaze]

New question presented in the joker debate.

What would joker be like has a hero?
I think it'd be a lot like if Bizarro tried to do a good deed. He'd screw it up because he wouldn't understand how to be a hero. For example, he could maybe latch on the idea of a saving a life, but I don't think he has the awareness to realize that killing four bystanders to save that life is wrong.

[Justin Byrd]

It could never happen. To change him enough so that would be acceptable would be to change him too fundamentally for him to be recognizable as the same character.
I agree with this. The closest you could get to is like a Rorschach type character mixed with Deadpool, but it wouldn't be the Joker anymore. It'd be Jokeschachpool.

[erichssf]

Ok, let me address all the points.

Joker's real name - as other said it's not clear just speculations.

Interactions with Poison Ivy and Two Face - yes

The movies:
Batman - really awesome
Batman Returns - just awesome
Batman Forever - wanted to puke and gouge out my eyes with a rusty spoon.
Batman and Robin - it is the anti-christ
Batman Begins - I consider it the BEST!

[bestcaboose]

guys, i am sorry but his real name is jack, it is official since the comic "hush returns".

JOKER FTW

[Justin Byrd]

guys, i am sorry but his real name is jack, it is official since the comic "hush returns".

JOKER FTW

Eh?

Sure it wasn't an alias? They've used "Jack" as a "real name" before, but it's never been proven.

[Joker]

"The Joker's real identity is unknown, and there have been different takes on his origin, though each depicts him as having fallen into a vat of chemicals, which bleached his skin white, dyed his hair green and turned his lips bright red, giving him the appearance of a sinister clown."

Looks like the debate is over. HA

[RawkusKeyes]

Final Question presented in this thread:

What would Joker do with the reality gem and all the time to learn to use it?

[WhereIsTony]

Nothing with all the time in the world he still could not begin to master it.

[RawkusKeyes]

Better final question:

What would he want to do?

[WhereIsTony]

see emperor joker

[ErinPatricia]

Joker and Dent interacted in Arkham Asylum Serious House on a Serious Earth didnt they?

Joker as a hero would be like Rorschach on Meth.

[RawkusKeyes]

Another final question:

How does the Joker get along with Scarecrow, Poison Ivy & The Riddler?
I think the Joker and the Riddler interacting would be very interesting.