Catwoman: One Year Later

[bugsypal86]

I really liked this issue. The pacing and story were really good and the art was georgeous. I also like the new addition to the caste. I just can't help but think that Helena (Selina's baby) just can't be Bruce's because that would be to obvious. Almost everything matches up with the Earth-2 Huntress with being Selinas daughter and named Helena.
The real person behind this change I can't guess but the obvious just seems to easy.

[Tiso]

It seemed glaringly obvious he was the father, Bruce Wayne. There is no way it could not be.

[Terry Verticchio]

Batman with a teddy bear...priceless.

[jonsnow]

Just the possibility of the papa being Bruce keeps me away from this book. WORST IDEA EVER! If Bruce is pops, I am talking worse than Superman BLue, worse than the Draco, worse than even the Repo-man. DC DO NOT DO THIS!

[Blake Petit]

I couldn't possibly disagree with you more, Jon. I think it makes more sense than anything else, and I think it's an idea ripe with story potential.

[jonsnow]

I couldn't possibly disagree with you more, Jon. I think it makes more sense than anything else, and I think it's an idea ripe with story potential.
D'oh! D'oh! D'oh!

[bugsypal86]

I would love for Bruce to be the dad as blake said that is just ripe with story potential. But, it seems like they are just beating us over the head with this possibility, and anything that obvious I just know dc is going to pull a fast one in the last minute and change who it is.

[Terry Verticchio]

Let's face it, Bats has been 'gritty' and 'dark' for a long time now. I think he needs to lighten up a bit. This seems the perfect way for him to realise that he's human.

[Batmanfan79]

Honestly, who else could the father be? It really wouldn't make sense for anyone else to have that role. The only way I could see it not being Bruce is if DC decides to pull some Selina got raped, had a one night stand, etc. I doubt they would do that, but it would be a way to conceal the baby's father and not completely **** off everyone...

What if they did that and like a few months later they told you the dad was the Joker? That would be some crazy ish...

[jonsnow]

What if they did that and like a few months later they told you the dad was the Joker? That would be some crazy ish...
Now that would be cool.

[mike trobaugh]

well it could be slam, or sam bradley.

well, whoever it was, we'll either find out in the pages of catwoman, or three months from now in 52* either way, i love it.

Plus, the new catwoman? i like that story too.
except for wooden nickel and fighting-dog figher, this book has been awesome and gets better all the time.

[jadrax]

Tieing with Robin as best OTL title so far imho.

And i would love it if Bats did turn out to be the Dad.

[Goorudoguntai]

Could the father be Riddler?

[Ammar Al Subahi]

Sounds interesting

[Blake Petit]

Could the father be Riddler?

Biologically, I suppose so.

Realistically, from a plot and character standpoint, I can't think of a single way that would make sense.

[mike trobaugh]

Ill end all this specualation right now!
I have inside info on the I.D. of the father:
i'm the daddy

[Ammar Al Subahi]

Ill end all this specualation right now!
I have inside info on the I.D. of the father:
i'm the daddy

:LOL: :LOL:

[mike trobaugh]

:LOL: :LOL:

hey, you laugh but its true, i had it confimed on MAURY and everything,

"in the case of Helena Kyle, you....ARE the father!"

[Batmanfan79]

:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

So, was that after the 34th or 35th time she appeared on the show?

[mike trobaugh]

oh, c'mon, Selina's a classy broad. she only had ot go on 19 times to find who da baby daddy was

[Batmanfan79]

:LOL: Yeah, you're right. Selina has more self-respect and dignity than that lol

[MaryJane]

Bruce is the father. Its DCs way of paying homage to the Earth 2 Huntress. I think its great! :dunce:

[jonsnow]

Bruce is the father. Its DCs way of paying homage to the Earth 2 Huntress. I think its great! :dunce:
Has that been difinitively shown yet? and if so I am friggin pissed off. OYL first mistake to me and it is one of the biggest ones DC could make.

[MaryJane]

No, this is not written in stone as of yet. Why would this revelation ( if true) upset you?

[jonsnow]

No, this is not written in stone as of yet. Why would this revelation ( if true) upset you?
Whew, ok they can still redeem themselves then.
I am adamantly opposed to Bruce fathering a child. I think it goes against the character in every way. He is supposed to mellow out a bit after Crisis, but this would just be irresponsible to a ludicrous degree on his part, and Batman is not irresponsible. To have a kid as Batman is awful. His crusade is his life, the kid would come after. He may not acknowledge the kid to keep it safe, again bad form and not something Bats would do. He has a moral code and I see him doing this as breaking that.

[Batmanfan79]

You're right, normally that may be against Batman's code and his misson and whatnot. And yes, it may be irresponsible for Batman tohave a child, but not Bruce Wayne. Maybe because of all the events of Identity Crisis with the villains getting mindwiped. No one would know Bruce Wayne = Batman. He could cover it that way. As far as Bruce being a responsible father, that remains to be seen.

[jonsnow]

You're right, normally that may be against Batman's code and his misson and whatnot. And yes, it may be irresponsible for Batman tohave a child, but not Bruce Wayne. Maybe because of all the events of Identity Crisis with the villains getting mindwiped. No one would know Bruce Wayne = Batman. He could cover it that way. As far as Bruce being a responsible father, that remains to be seen.
That still makes me very angry and still goes against the character. Bruce Wayne is a facade put on by Batman. Batman is his identity. It is who he is when he talks to himself. Bruce is a mask. For him to this would make Batman the mask, which in turn ruins the character and goes against decades of character development.

[Batmanfan79]

That still makes me very angry and still goes against the character. Bruce Wayne is a facade put on by Batman. Batman is his identity. It is who he is when he talks to himself. Bruce is a mask. For him to this would make Batman the mask, which in turn ruins the character and goes against decades of character development.

I could see how a change that big could make you angry, but he probably came to realize that he inherently is Bruce Wayne. When he dies, that's what's gonna be on his tombstone, not Batman. Batman is the secret identity not the other way around. Sure, this changes some things but could make for a lot of interesting stories. Now Bruce possibly could have one more reason to be paranoid.

[jonsnow]

I could see how a change that big could make you angry, but he probably came to realize that he inherently is Bruce Wayne. When he dies, that's what's gonna be on his tombstone, not Batman. Batman is the secret identity not the other way around. Sure, this changes some things but could make for a lot of interesting stories. Now Bruce possibly could have one more reason to be paranoid.
But his evolution after IC is to make him less paranoid. And if he comes to realize he is Bruce Wayne it kills the character Batman in my eyes. If Dan Didio is reading this, you had better start sleeping with one eye open if Bats is the papa...

[MaryJane]

I am all for it. You see, I really love the pre crisis, pre 1986 DC universe. Bring back Earth 2 please!

[jonsnow]

I am all for it. You see, I really love the pre crisis, pre 1986 DC universe. Bring back Earth 2 please!
Oh god in heaven this is blasphemy:D
Seriously. I am a DC fanatic right now, but if they bring back that I am gone. I'll sell out to Marvel so fast it will make your head spin. And I'll probably get in trouble for setting various DC properties ablaze along the way...:(

[MaryJane]

But then again, your 22. So you have no affinity for that era of DC.

[jonsnow]

But then again, your 22. So you have no affinity for that era of DC.
True, none at all! I'm not saying my way or the highway, although I should be in charge because I could fix things fast (that applies to more than just comics, I would be a great benevolent dictator...), but delusions of grandeur aside...
I like the DC universe. It got me jump-started as a comic fan. I was just a Spawn and sporadic X-Men reader until I read Batman: Hush and then bam! I found this great thing called DC. Dan don't take that away from me!:rant:
I just think it goes against everything that Batman is for Bruce Wayne to not be the mask any more.

[MaryJane]

I understand. And just for the record, I DO not nor will I ever read anything with mutants in it. Its just too trendy. Also, the entire " public hating mutants but not other superheroes" thing just does not work for me. After all, you cant tell a mutant from a non mutant by physical appearance. There is nothing to distinguish one from the other, so why hate one but not the other if they both look the same? Makes no sense.

I cant get pass this, so no xmen books for me. Which is good since this allows me to read many other books! :D

[jonsnow]

I understand. And just for the record, I DO not nor will I ever read anything with mutants in it. Its just too trendy. Also, the entire " public hating mutants but not other superheroes" thing just does not work for me. After all, you cant tell a mutant from a non mutant by physical appearance. There is nothing to distinguish one from the other, so why hate one but not the other if they both look the same? Makes no sense.

I cant get pass this, so no xmen books for me. Which is good since this allows me to read many other books! :D
I'll agree on nostalgia with you when it comes to X-Men. I pine for the old X-Men days. I even liked the 90's stuff for the most part, and I have back read a lot of the 80's stuff. But the muties were my first comic experience, so they hold a special place for me.

[MaryJane]

If it was one of the 1st books you remember reading as a kid, then the nostalgia factor will always keep them near & dear to your heart. Thats one of the things that make comic book collecting such a great touchstone with childhood memories, nostalgia.

Every person has a "golden age" that they like to remember as being the pinnacle of their comic book experience. The great thing is that its different for everyone.

[jonsnow]

If it was one of the 1st books you remember reading as a kid, then the nostalgia factor will always keep them near & dear to your heart. Thats one of the things that make comic book collecting such a great touchstone with childhood memories, nostalgia.

Every person has a "golden age" that they like to remember as being the pinnacle of their comic book experience. The great thing is that its different for everyone.
Very true. My golden Age was X-Men #1. Friend let me read it and I was hooked, except the problem I did not have any money at that age, or any way to obtain further issues. So I read what he had and then watched the saturday morning cartoon.
One cool thing was when I truly became a comic fan in college with reading Batman: Hush I learned my dad used to be a comic fan back in his day, but lost all faith when Adam West turned his favorite (and mine) Batman into an abomination.

[MaryJane]

Very true. My golden Age was X-Men #1. Friend let me read it and I was hooked, except the problem I did not have any money at that age, or any way to obtain further issues. So I read what he had and then watched the saturday morning cartoon.
One cool thing was when I truly became a comic fan in college with reading Batman: Hush I learned my dad used to be a comic fan back in his day, but lost all faith when Adam West turned his favorite (and mine) Batman into an abomination.

WHen you say X-men #1, you are referring to the 1990s book, correct?

[jonsnow]

WHen you say X-men #1, you are referring to the 1990s book, correct?
Yes, "adjectiveless" X-Men #1, Jim Lee and Chris Claremont. Sorry, not to be confused with the older stuff. One of the reasons I still follow Jim Lee blindly to this day (see Divine Right, All-Star Batman, and Heroes Reborn as evidence)

[JX141]

Yes, "adjectiveless" X-Men #1, Jim Lee and Chris Claremont. Sorry, not to be confused with the older stuff. One of the reasons I still follow Jim Lee blindly to this day (see Divine Right, All-Star Batman, and Heroes Reborn as evidence)
Excellent era of books for marvel all around

[jonsnow]

Excellent era of books for marvel all around
Reading after the fact I would agree very strongly with you. My new gig is buying back issue Marvel stories, since I don't much like the current ones.

[MaryJane]

The B E S T decade for Marvel was the 60s & 70s, bar none. All that classic stuff from the 60s! OMG! come on now, nothing can top that, its what started it all!

[jonsnow]

The B E S T decade for Marvel was the 60s & 70s, bar none. All that classic stuff from the 60s! OMG! come on now, nothing can top that, its what started it all!
Um I usually don't read much even into the 80's. Main reason, art. I'm very set in my tastes of comic art and I do not care for the older art work. mid-80's through the 90's was comic art at its best for me. There is some great stuff today, but unfortunately I think the excessive art and bad writing of the 90's has caused a drastic shift to predominantly going for writing and art losing out in this decade.

[MaryJane]

To me, a good example of great art/poor writing is All Star Batman. Jim Lee can draw pretty pictures, but the story is very poor. DO I really need a Batman that slaps around kids in my life?

[jonsnow]

Yeah All-Star is awful I will give you that one, but man is Jim Lee amazing. I usually do not like Frank Miller though. I just have this crack addiction to Jim Lee. I hope I've beaten it this time...

[MaryJane]

Jim Lee's art sells books, no doubt. Its the reason I pick up All Star Batman. The art is fantastic!

[jonsnow]

That it is. Heck Divine Right had some wonderful art, but man did that writing suck.

[MaryJane]

Jim Lees art on All Star Batman = :O

[jonsnow]

Very true, but I admit, I liked his work on Hush more so. I still go back to my copy of X-Men Mutant Genesis as my personal favorite, maybe not the pinnacle of his talent, but again my first stuff in the comic world. He drew a wicked Sabretooth!

[erichssf]

Jim Lee's art work is great. There's something about his style that really appeals to me. I would pick up his work no matter how bad the story is....