For Tomorrow

[jonsnow]

Ok, so Jim Lee's run on Superman flopped because the story was pretty bad, but hey Jim Lee as always was on his game. However, I am wondering. DOes this fall under an Elsworlds designation? The story was supposed to take place a year in the future, well it is OYL and no rumblings about Superman creating a perfect world, or mass world-wide vanishings, etc. So do we forget Azzarello's poor story as a bad Elseworld's tale, or does it hold as a part of the Superman continuity?

[Blake Petit]

Technically, it's in continuity. The book wasn't actually a year LATER, it was a year "AGO" -- the end of that storyline caught up to the point in the timeline that the rest of the Superman books were already at.

But nobody has really done anything with the story since then, and frankly, I'm glad. It was a train wreck.

[jonsnow]

Technically, it's in continuity. The book wasn't actually a year LATER, it was a year "AGO" -- the end of that storyline caught up to the point in the timeline that the rest of the Superman books were already at.

But nobody has really done anything with the story since then, and frankly, I'm glad. It was a train wreck.
A very flashy and well drawn train wrekc, but yeah, a train wrekc.

[Justin Byrd]

I was under the impression that For Tomorrow jumped a year, while Austen and Rucka built up what had happened in that year, then everything was caught up when the Eclipso/Captain Marvel story came along.

But yeah, For Tomorrow stunk. Beautiful, but stunk...Azzarello really dropped the ball. It would've sucked the most if we didn't have Austen's run on Action...now THAT was bad, so bad. Thank God Rucka's run on Adventures was pretty good, I actually was excited with Ruin.

There you go jonsnow, another slam on Austen! Whoo hoo!

[Blake Petit]

I was under the impression that For Tomorrow jumped a year, while Austen and Rucka built up what had happened in that year, then everything was caught up when the Eclipso/Captain Marvel story came along.

According to Eddie Berganza, "For Tomorrow" happened before the other Superman titles of the time. After all, if Austen and Rucka's runs happened in that "missing" year, Lois would have been absent. (Although one could easily argue that the character that appeared in Austen's run wasn't actually Lois Lane, but an evil shapeshifter who didn't have the slightest idea what consistent characterization was...)

[Justin Byrd]

According to Eddie Berganza, "For Tomorrow" happened before the other Superman titles of the time. After all, if Austen and Rucka's runs happened in that "missing" year, Lois would have been absent. (Although one could easily argue that the character that appeared in Austen's run wasn't actually Lois Lane, but an evil shapeshifter who didn't have the slightest idea what consistent characterization was...)
Hrm, see I thought that the way I said was what Berganza said...oh well. Doesn't matter regardless of anything neither Austen or For tomorrow have been referenced much, which I like (though Austen kind of messed up Preus, I thought the guy had potential...)

And agreed, Lois in Action was the Parasite who came back to be mean to Clark again! :LOL:

[jonsnow]

I was under the impression that For Tomorrow jumped a year, while Austen and Rucka built up what had happened in that year, then everything was caught up when the Eclipso/Captain Marvel story came along.

But yeah, For Tomorrow stunk. Beautiful, but stunk...Azzarello really dropped the ball. It would've sucked the most if we didn't have Austen's run on Action...now THAT was bad, so bad. Thank God Rucka's run on Adventures was pretty good, I actually was excited with Ruin.

There you go jonsnow, another slam on Austen! Whoo hoo!
That poor bad writing *******. We just never let up on him. He deserves it though, repo-man sheesh. I'll take an non-sensical story like For tomorrow over the Repo-man any day of the week.

[Justin Byrd]

That poor bad writing *******. We just never let up on him. He deserves it though, repo-man sheesh. I'll take an non-sensical story like For tomorrow over the Repo-man any day of the week.
Yeah, lack of cohesion and story sensibility stinks.

But Repo Man stinks even more.

Repo Man...it was bad enough, but he actually named him Repo Man.:no:

[Blake Petit]

Ugh... lord, I'd managed to blot Repo-Man out of my mind. He's managed to beat out Typeface as "Worst Villain of the 21st Century" so far...

[jonsnow]

Ugh... lord, I'd managed to blot Repo-Man out of my mind. He's managed to beat out Typeface as "Worst Villain of the 21st Century" so far...
Yeah I think I am responsible for breaking down SupesAf mental block of that abomonation as well....
I am still mucho confused on that whole yellow kryptonite bit.
But it is always fun to rip on Chuckie boy.

[Justin Byrd]

Yeah I think I am responsible for breaking down SupesAf mental block of that abomonation as well....
I am still mucho confused on that whole yellow kryptonite bit.
But it is always fun to rip on Chuckie boy.
Yellow Kryptonite...remind me of that. I must have amnesia...

[jonsnow]

Isn't that what Gog gave Repo-Man to turn him into Repo-Man?

[AmazingMattMan]

i think the only thing referenced was his new fortress right? and that lasted like...an issue. hah. for tomorrow was soooooooooo bad.

but now that i am reading some of these repo-man posts and i feel really bad for superman fans. well iv heard the books are good right now...but still. wow. thats bad

[Justin Byrd]

Isn't that what Gog gave Repo-Man to turn him into Repo-Man?
God knows...I thought it was just a glowing thing. Doesn't matter. Hopefully Repo-Man will go the way of the Minuteman and Sodom and Gomorrah in the land of badly conceived ideas, where they are locked away forever...

[jonsnow]

One can only hope...
out of morbid curiosity, where is Chuck Austen these days?

[Blake Petit]

Doing some baseball series for Tokyopop.

No, seriously.

[jonsnow]

Hahaha he got traded to Japan. He got the same treatement as a has been baseball player, traded to Japan. Man does that suck.

[Justin Byrd]

He got all bitter after he got fired from Action. Eddie Berganza said that he was sorry because Chuck's supposedly a really nice guy blah blah blah.

I read an interview and he was very bitter. I'd feel bad, but seriously:

1. He dumbed down Darkseid something fierce.
2. Turned Superman into Superspiderman (don't get me wrong, I love Spidey, but Spidey isn't Supes)
3. Made Lois an ultra thing that rhymes with witch
4. Made Lana kind of a conniving two-timer
5. Since when is Smallvile like a 50,000 population?
6. Silver Banshee lesbian action and popping people's heads off?
7. Doomsday killing a kid?
8. Repo Man, enough said.

[Blake Petit]

Y'know, in all fairness, I put some of the blame on Berganza as well. That's an excellent top-8 list of why Austen shouldn't have written that title in the first place, but Berganza had to approve every one of those scripts -- why did he let it go on?

[Justin Byrd]

Y'know, in all fairness, I put some of the blame on Berganza as well. That's an excellent top-8 list of why Austen shouldn't have written that title in the first place, but Berganza had to approve every one of those scripts -- why did he let it go on?
Agreed. He also let in Joe Casey (though in all fairness did a good job on Majestic), and do you remember the ridiculousness of his time on Adventures? The bug wedding was the real low point for me.

Anyway.

I think Berganza was the one who wrote the last two books as JD Finn after Austen left...at least that was what Austen thought.

[Blake Petit]

I never thought Casey did that bad a job, actually... not as bad as Seagle, at any rate.

[Justin Byrd]

I never thought Casey did that bad a job, actually... not as bad as Seagle, at any rate.
IMO most of that time period wasn't too hot. Casey just was all villain of the week guys and had plots that went nowhere:

1. the candidate
2. the sun eater
3. the minuteman
4. the bugs that got married and wanted to consummate their marriage (ick)

When they picked up with that Return to Krypton story where Supes was stuck in Kandor by Lyla, that's when things got better...then, well, Austen blew. :)