If dc is really inclusive, they would include groups without ...

[MaryJane]

Another poster mentioned that:

DC won't touch those subjects i don't think. The reason being they are a much smaller reading audience than homosexuals. Also PR and other powers that be wouldn't let that come out because of exposure to children reading these books. Homosexuality is a little easier to explain than the other subjects I think.

It's not that they're being ignored, no one is asking for them to be represented. It'd be different if there was a huge demand for it"
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1st: Are you suggesting that dc only include characters from groups that have a strong enough lobby to force the issue? Does that not contradict the entire inclusive policy? Part of an inclusive policy is to reach out to those groups that have little or no political ( or any other type of ) power.

2nd: You are suggested that dc ONLY include characters from marginalized groups in their new inclusive policy if they is public outcry. If dc is truly devoted to this idea, then should they not take the initiative rather than waiting for a kick in the ###? ( this would demonstrate that they are serious & not just doing this for some lame marketing stunt).

[MaryJane]

Thats 1 of the points of being inclusive. To reach out to those that society does not normally reach out to, not to wait for these groups to demand it!

Someone also mentioned something about these 2 groups being very small, all the more reason to include them. You cannot pick & choose ONLY those groups that YOU are comfortable with, you either include all or discriminate. You cant have it both ways. How do people not understand this?

[MaryJane]

DC vice-president and executive editor Dan DiDio told the Associated Press,

"This is not just about having a gay character," DiDio said. "We're trying for overall diversity in the DC universe. We have strong African-American, Hispanic and Asian characters. We're trying to get a better cross-section of our readership and the world."

Ok, if that is true, then cross dressing & transgendered comic characters should be included in this group, after all, they make up part of the world.

[SINALOA]

I want traditional characters not heroes who are mentally disturbed, is that too much to ask for?

[Jim Wright]

Watch it folks. If this thread goes to flames, it will be locked and deleted.

You can have a civil, intellectual debate. The minute it becomes emotional name calling, it's over.
Any egregious rule breakers will be dealt with appropriately.

[MaryJane]

I want traditional characters not heroes who are mentally disturbed, is that too much to ask for?


hhhhmmm... are you implying that the 2 groups I mentioned are mentally disturbed?

I could name a whole slew of comic characters that are mentally disturbed to some degree..... Batman, Punisher, etc.... check out Supreme Powers for mentally disturbed characters......

[MaryJane]

I would totally read a book with a she male superhero. :)

should you tuck in spandex? Do hormone pills mess with super powers? These are things we need to hear about. It would be really interesting if handled by a good writer.

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Gotham central had one of the best stories in its run that dealt with a gay cop being outed at work, Half a life. & it featured Renee Montoya dealing with all the stuff cops deal with in addition to being her co workers finding out she is gay. It was the best damn storyline in that books run. But dont take my word for it, this story won 2 awards.

* Eisner Award - Best Serialized Story 2004 - "Half a Life" (Gotham Central #6-10[6]).
* Harvey Award - Best Single Issue or Story 2004 - "Half a Life" (Gotham Central #6-10[7]).

[Jim Wright]

I would totally read a book with a she male superhero. :)

Check out Mantra from Malibu Comics. It may be the closest you get.

[SINALOA]

hhhhmmm... are you implying that the 2 groups I mentioned are mentally disturbed?

I could name a whole slew of comic characters that are mentally disturbed to some degree..... Batman, Punisher, etc.... check out Supreme Powers for mentally disturbed characters......

You know what I meant. is it going to get to the point where I am going to have to go through every single comic book my son starts buying because I have to check for content?

[MaryJane]

Thats not true. Many of dcs books will have nothing to do with this if it contributes nothing to the current storyline. Just look at "Half a life" in Gotham Central. It was contained within that book.

Besides, dc has this new policy in place to reflect the real world outside, correct? Well its a good opportunity to discuss these things in an open & honest fashion & answer any questions that may pop up.

[SINALOA]

Is it too much to ask that if my son is reading a comic book, something fake that he keep his innocence and not have to be exposed to trannys, gays, crossdressers and all that other junk out there?

[MaryJane]

Is it too much to ask that if my son is reading a comic book, something fake that he keep his innocence and not have to be exposed to trannys, gays, crossdressers and all that other junk out there?


DC has a kids line where all that stuff does not exist. Is this correct?

[Jim Wright]

That's a good point, SINALOA, although not the way I would have phrased it. ;)

Comics used to be fun for a younger group, but as I've gotten older, the audience for them has gotten older as well. As a parent, I try and keep up with what my kids like and I steer them towards things I know are appropriate. At what point are comics responsible for their content and at what point are parents responsible for watching what comes in. It's easy for me to check out comics because that's something I enjoy, however what about parents who aren't into comics but their kids are? I know if my mom had to get me comics today, she'd beat me for reading some of the stuff that's out there.
Where is the line where what the comic companies decide is appropriate matches up with what parents think is appropriate?

[Jim Wright]

DC has a kids line where all that stuff does not exist. Is this correct?

Yes, but it's mostly oriented to much younger kids. I doubt a 10 year old boy would want to be carrying around an issue of Powerpuff Girls.

[MaryJane]

They have a JLA unlimited or something like that, do they not? and a teen titans Go & a batman comic tied into the cartoon? Marvel has a similar kid friendly line. Lets face it, most Marvel & Dc comics are not geared towards a 10 year old.

[Jim Wright]

Yes. One comic that's around the right age. TT: GO is more for younger kids. I don't know about The Batman Strikes.

[MaryJane]

Yes. One comic that's around the right age. TT: GO is more for younger kids. I don't know about The Batman Strikes.

Yes, that tells you the extend to which 10 years olds are reading comic these days. Not very many are, they would rathe rplay video games.

[SINALOA]

That's a good point, SINALOA, although not the way I would have phrased it. ;)

Comics used to be fun for a younger group, but as I've gotten older, the audience for them has gotten older as well. As a parent, I try and keep up with what my kids like and I steer them towards things I know are appropriate. At what point are comics responsible for their content and at what point are parents responsible for watching what comes in. It's easy for me to check out comics because that's something I enjoy, however what about parents who aren't into comics but their kids are? I know if my mom had to get me comics today, she'd beat me for reading some of the stuff that's out there.
Where is the line where what the comic companies decide is appropriate matches up with what parents think is appropriate?

I completely agree with you 100% seems like a lot of people who used to read the comic books as children did not want to hand them back to the kids so they brought them along with them in their 30'40' and 50's and now they want to write stories that reflect REAL LIFE SITUATIONS. GIve me a break, its stories that children should enjoy. Why should my son come up to me and ask me what a Tranny is, or how come women sleep weith women in the same bed or why does this man wear women's clothing?

The only comic books I buy him on a regular basis are teen titans go and JLU but those don't have much action in them.

My parents were never into comic books but I am glad I grew up in a different time where character development and storylines were what made a good arc not SHOCK VALUE

[MaryJane]

BUt then , why is it Ok for Dc to reinvent a hero as a minority? Its forced. Its pandering, dc even admitted this! There is no good reason for it, storywise. They are doing it in some sort of twisted affirmative action thing.........

[MaryJane]

I completely agree with you 100% seems like a lot of people who used to read the comic books as children did not want to hand them back to the kids so they brought them along with them in their 30'40' and 50's and now they want to write stories that reflect REAL LIFE SITUATIONS. GIve me a break, its stories that children should enjoy. Why should my son come up to me and ask me what a Tranny is, or how come women sleep weith women in the same bed or why does this man wear women's clothing?

The only comic books I buy him on a regular basis are teen titans go and JLU but those don't have much action in them.

My parents were never into comic books but I am glad I grew up in a different time where character development and storylines were what made a good arc not SHOCK VALUE


The good old days, as you recall, are where all these groups were on the closet, as if they were doing something wrong. Thats the implied message, they have to hide becuase how they choose to live their lives is somehow wrong, which it is not. ( check out storm & some of what she has to say on this topic in the new xmen movie!) These people are as much a part of society as anyone else, after all, they break no laws & hurt no people. They just excerise their freedom of choice.

[SINALOA]

The good old days, as you recall, are where all these groups were on the closet, as if they were doing something wrong. Thats the implied message, they have to hide becuase how they choose to live their lives is somehow wrong, which it is not. ( check out storm & some of what she has to say on this topic in the new xmen movie!) These people are as much a part of society as anyone else, after all, they break no laws & hurt no people. They just excerise their freedom of choice.

Well can they stay in the closet, I dont want my kids exposed to this, not at 6 and 4 years old.

[MaryJane]

Why should they stay in the closet if they are not doing anything wrong? I do not understand this? Should visable minorities STFU about discrimination? This use to be the mindset of North America at one time.

[SINALOA]

Why should they stay in the closet if they are not doing anything wrong? I do not understand this? Should visable minorities STFU about discrimination? This use to be the mindset of North America at one time.

so to make you happy I should have to explain gay behavior to my kids, to make you happy I should explain why grown men dress in women's clothing, to make you happy I should explain why males decide to become females and vice versa? I dont think so. They are little kids, can they enjoy their innocence and not have to worry about this nonsense for a while, is that too much to ask for?

[MaryJane]

so to make you happy I should have to explain gay behavior to my kids, to make you happy I should explain why grown men dress in women's clothing, to make you happy I should explain why males decide to become females and vice versa? I dont think so. They are little kids, can they enjoy their innocence and not have to worry about this nonsense for a while, is that too much to ask for?


Its a part of the world that they are going to enter. And picture this, what if you found out later in life that that 1 of your kids was gay or a cross dresser? Do you not think that this message of " in the closet" would do more to hurt their emotional growth/distance themselves from others than one of openness?

If I had a kid that was gay or a cross dresser or whatever, I would let them KNOW that whatever they do, as long as they are not breaking any laws or hurting other living things, I would 100% support their choice.

[Batmanfan79]

Ok, honestly I would not be interested in a cross dressing or transexual character for anything other than shock value. I just think some things aren't necessarily geared for mainstream viewers. Those subjects are a couple of them. I'll take you further that heterosexual porn is not for everyone. That's why it's not on regular or cable tv, unless you order it on ppv. It's not about what the people are, it's the content of the whole thing.

[SINALOA]

Its a part of the world that they are going to enter. And picture this, what if you found out later in life that that 1 of your kids was gay or a cross dresser? Do you not think that this message of " in the closet" would do more to hurt their emotional growth/distance themselves from others than one of openness?

If I had a kid that was gay or a cross dresser or whatever, I would let them KNOW that whatever they do, as long as they are not breaking any laws or hurting other living things, I would 100% support their choice.

I find your comment offensive, Please don't reffer to them in that manner ever again.

[MaryJane]

WTF? How is this offensive? I take it that you would struggle with this if it were true. Its possible, but highly unlikely. Still, it is a part of the 21st century.

[MaryJane]

Ok, honestly I would not be interested in a cross dressing or transexual character for anything other than shock value. I just think some things aren't necessarily geared for mainstream viewers. Those subjects are a couple of them. I'll take you further that heterosexual porn is not for everyone. That's why it's not on regular or cable tv, unless you order it on ppv. It's not about what the people are, it's the content of the whole thing.

You might not be interested, but if dc wants to be inclusive, then be inclusive. Your example of porn is very poor. Porn & children do not mix for obvious reasons. But gay people are out in public, they can marry, etc, and its NOT infiniging on anyones rights. How does a persons clothing choice have a negative impact? I would like to know. 100 years ago, women in pants would have been classified as an abomination. Pants were strickly male. Today, its no biggie.

[SINALOA]

WTF? How is this offensive? I take it that you would struggle with this if it were true. Its possible, but highly unlikely. Still, it is a part of the 21st century.

Its MY KIDS and you putting out that scenerio is VERY OFFENSIVE TO ME so DONT DO IT AGAIN!

[MaryJane]

Your not explaining yourself, your allowing your emotions to control you. That & you play the "offensive" card....... which is a sort of Deus ex machina

[SINALOA]

Your not explaining yourself, your allowing your emotions to control you. That & you play the "offensive" card....... which is a sort of Deus ex machina

What don't you get about

MY kids....gays......don't mix? should I draw it out for you?

[MaryJane]

I bet the first person to make a transgendered superhero comic wins an Eisner.

:superhero:

[Normalman]

DC has a kids line where all that stuff does not exist. Is this correct?

They also have an adult line called Vertigo where all this stuff can and has existed. It's properly labeled, obvious as to what it's about, and sometimes it's even well done. I have no problem with that.

Having diversity just to have diversity usually ruins the story in the sake of satisfying political correctness.

[Normalman]

I bet the first person to make a transgendered superhero comic wins an Eisner.

:superhero:


Is that saying something good about the Eisner's or not?

[Kovac]

Regarding Eisner or not i dont care about awards

Lets say if i met one person such as this, i am not going to ask them why or what was he/ she thinking.... i ll jusk ask how r u ? simple manners

I dont care if they put out a gay-crossdressing mutated monkeys who looks 60% human in purple pyjamas as long as the story is good, the arc is solid, and not too many blurry panels , and my shipment is not late..... and that should make a comic book

[darkerion]

If I had a kid that was gay or a cross dresser or whatever, I would let them KNOW that whatever they do, as long as they are not breaking any laws or hurting other living things, I would 100% support their choice.

HMMM, So in order to be consistant in your beliefs, then you let your kids decide what is best for them (as long as they are not breaking laws or hurting anyonme). So if they are 5 years old, and want to watch r rated videos, eat candy for each meal, not go to the doctor or dentist, cuss left and right, cross-dress (not for play, but ALWAYS), then you would support their CHOICES? And if not, then why not? They are not breaking any laws or hurting anybody else.

[Justin Byrd]

Flaming will not be tolerated...this isn't even my room and I had to delete several posts!

[S.A. Parvaze]

Watch it folks. If this thread goes to flames, it will be locked and deleted.

You can have a civil, intellectual debate. The minute it becomes emotional name calling, it's over.
Any egregious rule breakers will be dealt with appropriately.
That didn't take long. Locked.