2 IN 1 SHOWCASE EPISODE FIFTY-FIVE: CABLE, DEADPOOL & X-FORCE

**Blake Petit** · #1 February 9th 2008, 10:29 PM

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Episode Fifty-Five: Cable, Deadpool and X-Force
by Chase Bouzigard and Blake Petit

Because you demanded it! Last week, our faithful geeks talked about the future of the core X-Men titles, but what about the other books changed by Messiah Complex? With big changes on the way and three new titles about to be released, this week the guys discuss Cable, Deadpool, and the X-Force corner of the X-Men Universe! In the picks, Blake bids a fond farewell to Dwayne McDuffie and Paul Pelletier's Fantastic Four, and Chase gives us a blast from the past in the Hulk: The End Premiere Hardcover! Keep your comments coming to Showcase@ComiXtreme.com!

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Episode Fifty-Five: Cable, Deadpool & X-Force

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Wolverace · #2 February 10th 2008, 04:20 AM

I just listened to the show on my MP3 player while preparing dinner, and I really enjoyed it.

I agree with the comment from the listener on the Deadpool-Weapon X story, and the portrayal of Sabretooth. It's very difficult to perceive how he could ever be regarded as a member of the X-men based upon the portrayal in the "Agent of Weapon X"-storyline. Victor Creed is one sick *******.
Good call on the Deadpool/GLA issue, a really good read.

Daniel Way-Chuck Austin....

I will disagree, if I may, on the X-Force/X-Statix comments. That team was X-Force in name only. Although I really enjoyed the X-Statix vs Avengers storyarc, and the Dead Girl mini was a gem, the shock effect of this "different" team got a tad lame after a while. I don't know how to put it, but it never felt like an X-book.
Doop??

**Blake Petit** · #3 February 10th 2008, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolverace

I will disagree, if I may, on the X-Force/X-Statix comments. That team was X-Force in name only. Although I really enjoyed the X-Statix vs Avengers storyarc, and the Dead Girl mini was a gem, the shock effect of this "different" team got a tad lame after a while. I don't know how to put it, but it never felt like an X-book.
Doop??

Oh, I agree that it was X-Force in name only... that's what I liked about it. I never liked the old X-Force.

But shock effect? I have to disagree -- this was a book with real substance, it wasn't just trying to startle you with big moments or twists like some writers I could name... when you got down to it, it was a book about the characters and their relationships, and that's what made it work.

Wolverace · #4 February 10th 2008, 01:04 PM

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Oh, I agree that it was X-Force in name only... that's what I liked about it. I never liked the old X-Force.

Then maybe they could have called it something else?

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But shock effect? I have to disagree -- this was a book with real substance, it wasn't just trying to startle you with big moments or twists like some writers I could name... when you got down to it, it was a book about the characters and their relationships, and that's what made it work.

Killing most of the team in the first issue. That's shock effect. I do not take away that it was a great book, but at times they just tried to hard to be smart. The link to showbiz, guys being gay for the sake of being gay, two afro-americans arguing who is really black, and who is pretending to be black, ...sometimes it was really hard to find those character moments.
But if the omnibus is ever published, I might buy it (even though I have all the single issues).

**Blake Petit** · #5 February 10th 2008, 01:07 PM

Well, eventually they DID call it something else.

Yes, killing off the team in the first issue was shocking, but it wasn't JUST for shock effect -- it demonstrated something about the fundamental nature of the series, and it made you fear for the real cast in a way you wouldn't have otherwise.

Wolverace · #6 February 10th 2008, 01:12 PM

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Yes, killing off the team in the first issue was shocking, but it wasn't JUST for shock effect -- it demonstrated something about the fundamental nature of the series, and it made you fear for the real cast in a way you wouldn't have otherwise.

I didn't feel for the cast because they were not presentes that real. But that's just an opinion on my part.

**Blake Petit** · #7 February 10th 2008, 01:14 PM

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I didn't feel for the cast because they were not presentes that real. But that's just an opinion on my part.

That's where we've got to disagree -- I found the cast to be far more realistic than most X-titles, for the reasons I stated in the podcast.

Wolverace · #8 February 10th 2008, 01:16 PM

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That's where we've got to disagree -- I found the cast to be far more realistic than most X-titles, for the reasons I stated in the podcast.

Then let's disagree.

Zap Rowsdower · #9 February 10th 2008, 01:31 PM

Hmmm This time the biggest issue I have is with the movie stuff.

There were plenty of folks who hated Blair Witch. My brother and my bud Larry saw it the night it came out, and they despised it. To date, I've never seen the film because they vehemently warned me not to.

Similarly when Larry and I went to see Cloverfield, we were probably the only two people in the theater who liked it. There was a huge chorus of boos as the end credits rolled, so there were plenty of folks who hated that film too.

If people are saying they hated Cloverfield in a year, I'll believe it even if I disagree with them.

**Blake Petit** · #10 February 10th 2008, 01:34 PM

Oh, I don't deny that there ARE people who hate Cloverfield now. I was just commenting on the people who will DECIDE to hate it a year from now because all the Cool Kids are doing it and they are incapable of forming an opinion on their own.

Wolverace · #11 February 10th 2008, 01:44 PM

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Oh, I don't deny that there ARE people who hate Cloverfield now. I was just commenting on the people who will DECIDE to hate it a year from now because all the Cool Kids are doing it and they are incapable of forming an opinion on their own.

You're always going to have that problem. Wait another year to hear all the BND-comments.

**Blake Petit** · #12 February 10th 2008, 01:47 PM

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You're always going to have that problem. Wait another year to hear all the BND-comments.

Well, that's why I'm on the record as despising BND now.

(Note for those of you who don't get the joke: No, I haven't read any BND comics. I despise OMD and all its dark works far too much, and I'm not spending a dime on BND out of protest, no matter HOW good I'm sure it is, considering Dan Slott wrote the first arc.)

Chase Bouzigard · #13 February 10th 2008, 02:11 PM

A few Quick, Corrections on things that I said,

First Cloverfield was written by Drew Godderd not Davied Godderd.

And the Hulk: The End Hardcover, Has Future Imperfect, and The End, and Not THe last issue of P. D. run. Sorry for the Mistakes.

Zap Rowsdower · #14 February 10th 2008, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Blake Petit

Oh, I don't deny that there ARE people who hate Cloverfield now. I was just commenting on the people who will DECIDE to hate it a year from now because all the Cool Kids are doing it and they are incapable of forming an opinion on their own.

Ah ok. But still with a fairly high percentage of fans hating it now it'll be hard to tell who's lying and who's not.

Personally I loved the film.

In spite of this, when the credits rolled, the entire crowd booed and my friend and I looked at each other confused. Did these people not read the text at the beginning of the film? What did they think was going to happen? The audience should have known exactly how the film was going to end.

As we were walking out, I asked him how it was possible to be unprepared for the end of the film. One guy said, "I wasn't surprised. I don't understand how anyone could be."

Also in a review I read online the reviewer also mentioned that the ending credits resulted in a chorus of boos. It seems to me that this is a movie a lot of people just don't 'get.'

loganski · #15 February 10th 2008, 04:01 PM

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That's where we've got to disagree -- I found the cast to be far more realistic than most X-titles, for the reasons I stated in the podcast.

Yes, much more realistic than any X-book before that point. Milligan really used X-Force/X-Statix to make a point about our current reality tv and celeb media culture.
As far as character moments, I felt sympathy for Anarchist and his identity crisis and the Orphan's reluctance to be a circus freak mutie
Too bad they never really integrated the team into the rest of the Marvel Universe (oh yeah, they're all dead!)

Michael Bailey · #16 February 10th 2008, 06:16 PM

HULK: THE END was originally written as a short story for a collection of Hulk stories called Ultimate Hulk, which was edited by Peter David. I loved the comic version but the prose version was more powerful to me.

If you liked FUTURE IMPERFECT I would dig up a copy of Incredible Hulk: What Savage Beast, also by Peter David. It's sort of a sequel to FUTURE IMPERFECT and a kick butt story to boot.